DRAFT XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #633 Agenda 2016-02-09

DRAFT XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #633 Agenda 2016-02-09


Andy will chair this meeting.

PLEASE SEND CORRECTIONS AND ADDITIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO A REVISED 
AGENDA CAN BE PREPARED IN A TIMELY MANNER!

Changes in this agenda:



This week, I'd like us to work on the following items:
J3.0.1
J4.2 (F&O)
J4.4 (XPath)
J4.6 (Test Suite)


Key:
J = Joint Query/XSLT meeting;
Q = Query-only meeting


Teleconference connection details
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(Member only)
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2015Sep/0014.html




SUMMARY OF DECISIONS
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Note to secretary: Please insert a summary of all decisions made during 
this teleconference at this location in the minutes.

Decisions MUST be clear as to their complete intent.  The subject of the 
decision should *not* require dereferencing; it is most helpful if 
agenda numbers and bug numbers are accompanied by their titles.  If a 
decision is recorded about the resolution of a bug, the decision must 
state exactly what the resolution is (e.g., "Accept the solution in 
comment #5", or "Replace the production for XXX with this: <new 
production>", or the like.  It should be possible to read a decision 
months later and be certain what it meant and whether or not it was 
properly applied.


NEW ACTION ITEMS
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Note to secretary: Please insert all new action items assigned during 
this teleconference at this location in the minutes.

Action items MUST make sense even when they are viewed standalone (that 
is, not read in the context of the agenda item where they were 
assigned).  This explicitly requires that all referents (e.g., "this", 
"that") be made clear.  Action items such as "Ralph to resolve this 
problem" are DISALLOWED.  It takes a scribe only a few additional 
minutes to ensure that action items are clear, while it takes the entire 
WG considerable effort to constantly research the meaning of unclear 
action items.  The subject of the action item should *not* require 
dereferencing; it is most helpful if agenda numbers and bug numbers are 
accompanied by their titles.



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Joint XML Query Working Group and XSL Working Group
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J1. Administrative Items

J1.1 Selection of secretary(s)

Michael Sperberg-McQueen has been asked to take the minutes.  Mike Kay has 
been asked to stand by.


NOTE: The chair will confirm the secretary prior to the start of the 
meeting.


Most recent secretaries (least-recent participants first):
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(This list identifies the most recent three occasions when each 
participant acted as Secretary for the Task Force.  The person whose 
name is at the top of the list should plan to take the minutes at the 
meeting identified by this agenda; if that person is unavailable, then 
the job will fall to the next person on the list, etc.

Michael Sprbrg-McQn - 2015-10-03, 2015-06-09, 2015-03-03
Mike Kay            - 2015-11-10, 2015-07-15, 2015-04-14
Michael Dyck        - 2015-11-17, 2015-09-01, 2015-03-31
Josh Spiegel        - 2015-12-01, 2015-09-08, 2015-03-24
Tim Mills           - 2015-12-08, 2015-09-15, 2015-04-21
Norm Walsh          - 2015-12-15, 2015-09-22, 2015-05-05
Jonathan Robie      - 2016-01-05, 2015-09-29, 2015-05-12
John Snelson        - 2015-01-12, 2015-07-16, 2015-06-02
Liam Quin           - 2016-01-19, 2015-10-06, 2015-06-16
Adam Retter         - 2015-01-26, 2015-10-20, 2015-04-21
O'Neil Delpratt     - 2016-02-02, 2015-10-27, 2015-06-23



J1.2 Call the Roll -- NOT DONE DURING TELECONFERENCE

Note to secretary: During the meeting, take a note of the Webex 
participants, then list in the minutes those present and those who sent 
regrets.  All others will be presumed to have been absent without regrets.


XML Query WG membership list: 
http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=18797&order=org


XSL WG membership list: 
http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=19552&order=org



Regrets:




J1.3 Approval of agenda

J1.3.1 Additions, deletions, or corrections?



J1.4 Review of recent minutes and administrative items

J1.4.1 Minutes of meeting #632 (O'Neil)
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Feb/0001.html




J1.5 Review of action items

NOTE: Please be prepared to respond quickly on your action items!

J1.5.1 Outstanding action items


Action A-628-01: Liam to discuss the status of XQuery Update 3.0 at XML 
Prague.

Status: Pending; ETA 2016-02-13


ACTION A-629-02: Jonathan Robie to apply the clarification from the 
comment 12 of bug 29346 to the spec.

Status: Pending; ETA 2016-02-02


ACTION A-629-03: Abel to write test cases for the resolution to bug 29346.

Status: Pending; ETA 2016-02-02; Awaiting completion of A-629-02


ACTION A-629-04: Jonathan Robie to fix bug 29362 by referring to the 
definition of op:same-key in F&O

Status: Pending; ETA 2016-02-02


ACTION A-630-01: Mike Kay to propose a resolution on 29373 Missing error 
code
when fn:serialize receives a QName method in no namespace

Status: Pending; ETA 2016-02-16


ACTION A-630-02: O'Neil to remove reporting of the features that aren't in 
3.1
(static typing, namespace axis) and tests that are not for 3.1
(e.g. 3.0 or XPath)

Status: Pending; ETA 2016-02-16


ACTION A-630-06: jonathan to check the wordin to make validate {} an error 
[bug 29370]g

Status: Pending; ETA 2016-02-02


ACTION A-631-02: Jonathan Robie to make the changes in XPath 3.1 as 
suggested by Michael Dyck in Bug 29382

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.


ACTION A-632-02: Mike to make the change of adding cross reference to 
section 5.3.5 in relation to bug 29406

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.


ACTION A-632-03: Mike to add a clarification text and example to bug 29415

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.


ACTION A-632-04: Jonathan to refine wording in section 3.1.5.1Evaluating 
Static and Dynamic Function Calls. Based on the following points:  1. 
provide formal definitions for "host language function", 
"implementation-defined function", link to "external function”. 2. make 
sure that inline functions and declared functions are well defined as 
"functions that have bodies”. 3. Change ...F's implementation is a... to 
..F is a…
3a. typo: s/an/a in "is an partially applied function,”

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.


ACTION A-632-05: Jonathan to propose a solution to bug 29414

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.


ACTION A-632-06: O’Neil to make dependency on XSD 1.0 on the test cases. 
Update the bug issue 29404

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.




J1.5.2 Completed action items


ACTION A-631-01: Jonathan Robie to propose a reformulation of XPath 3.1 
section 3.1.5.1, bullet-points 2 and 5

Status: Closed; Discussed in last telecon


ACTION A-632-01: Andy to contact Jim to make change to the hierarchy 
diagrams in both XDM and F+O. See bug 29403

Status: Closed; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Feb/0002.html





J1.6 Update on related activities

J1.6.1 Update on XSLT WG activities (Sharon, MikeK)



J1.6.2 Update on EXPath/EXQuery CG activities (Mike)



J1.7 Future Meetings

J1.7.1 QT Meeting Schedule

[V44] Joint XML Query/XSL WG meeting schedule
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2015Dec/0000.html



** Meetings cancelled on 2016-02-16 and 2016-02-23 **



J1.7.2 Future F2F Meetings

J1.7.2.1 Other future F2F meetings

None scheduled.


J2. Documents For Review

(none)



J3. Maintenance Issues

J3.0 The XML Query WG and XSLT WG do not intend to maintains specs 
earlier than the 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches 
Recommendation, maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.

This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other problems 
reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) suite of specifications.


J3.0.1 Concerns raised by the XSLT working group in regards to potential
completion delays of XSLT 3.0 if XPath 3.0 is made obsoleted by 3.1

Status: Pending the outcome of Abel's review of 3.0 bugs/errata.
        Any change to the status of the 3.0 specs requires explicit XSL WG
        consultation. 


J3.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of joint XML Query WG and 
XSLT WG documents

(none)


J4. Active Specification Development


** Note: Full Text 3.1 has been removed from the WG agenda.
If, in the future, there is sufficient interest (i.e. at least two
independent participants to develop the spec and implementations),
then this can be brought back on the agenda.



J4.1 Data Model 3.1 (Norm)

J4.1.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview-diff.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/src/changes.txt


(none)


J4.2 Functions and Operators 3.1 (Mike Kay)

J4.2.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/src/changes.txt



J4.2.1 Bug 29373 - Missing error code when fn:serialize receives a QName 
method in no namespace
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29373


Status: Pending completion of A-630-01



J4.3 Serialization 3.1 (Michael Sperberg-McQueen, Andy)

J4.3.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview-diff.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/src/changes.txt


(none)


J4.4 XPath 3.1 (Jonathan)

J4.4.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31-diff.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt



J4.4.1 Bug 29277 - [XP31] Evaluating function calls does not mention 
evaluation of dynamic or static function calls that have no FunctionBody
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29277


Status: Pending completion of A-632-04


J4.4.2 Bug 29414 - [XP30][XP31] The judgement subtype-itemtype(Ai, Bi) is 
incorrect for function(*)
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29414


Status: Pending completion of A-632-05


J4.4.3 Bug 29419 - [XP31] edge case with negative integer literals 
(UnaryExpr) and limits for -9223372036854775808, which cannot be parsed
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29419


Status: Ready to discuss



J4.5 Grammar Test Applets (Michael Dyck)

J4.5.1 Bugzilla Bug 13796, [Applet30] \u escaped characters in grammar 
applets
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13796


Status: Pending



J4.6 QT3 test suite (O'Neil)

J4.6.1 Status report on test suite, harness, tools


J4.6.2 Status of 3.1 tests results

Status: Currently three implementers submitted results


J4.6.3 - 13 ignored open bugs in defunct category "XML Query Test Suite", 
should these be moved / closed?
See 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Jan/0037.html


Status: Ready to discuss



J5. Progression of Work

J5.1 XSLT 3.0, XQuery 3.1, XQueryX 3.1, XPath 3.1, XDM 3.1, F&O 3.1, 
Serialization 3.1

J5.1.1 Current status

* In Candidate Recommendation; awaiting implementation reports


J5.1.2 Dependencies inhibiting progression

* Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory

* Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof

* Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters

* PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request

* REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request



J5.2 Update 3.0

J5.2.1 Current Status

* In Last Call Working Draft


J5.2.2 Require owner of XQUF 3.0 Test Suite


J5.2.3 Dependencies inhibiting progression

* CR Transition Request and authorization, CR pub request

* Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory

* Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof

* Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters

* PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request

* REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request



J6. Any other business

J6.1 Consideration of future work

J6.1.1 QT 3.2

The WGs decided that we will finish the 3.1 documents presently under way,
but undertake no new work. Maintenance work should be planned upon for a
period of time after finishing the specifications. 


J6.1.2 FT 3.1

Currently inadequate interest and resources


J6.1.3 Update 3.1

Currently inadequate interest and resources



J7. Adjourn




=======================
XML Query Working Group
=======================

Q1. The XML Query WG does not intend to maintains specs earlier than the 
3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches Recommendation, 
maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.

Q1.0 This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other 
problems reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) XML Query WG suite of 
specifications.


Q1.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of XML Query WG documents

(none)



Q2. Active Specification Development

Q2.1 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 (John)

Q2.1.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview-diff.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/src/changes.txt


* The WG needs to obtain implementation experience with this document.


Q2.2 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 Requirements and Use Cases (Andy)
See 
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html


* The WGs need to be certain that this document is completed 
(red/yellow/green bullets on requirements, all the use cases intended to 
be published) and a decision made to advance it to WG Note.


Q2.3 XQuery 3.1 (Jonathan)

Q2.3.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31-diff.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt


(none)


Q2.4 XQueryX 3.1 (Josh)

Q2.4.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview-diff.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/src/changes.txt


(none)



Q3. Test Suite Development

Q3.1 Update Facility 3.0 Test Suite (????)

* Need test suite developer/manager

* Need tests 



Q4. Any other business



Q5. Adjourn