DRAFT XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #625 Agenda 2015-12-01

DRAFT XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #625 Agenda 2015-12-01


Andy will chair this meeting.

PLEASE SEND CORRECTIONS AND ADDITIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO A REVISED 
AGENDA CAN BE PREPARED IN A TIMELY MANNER!

Changes in this agenda:



This week, I'd like us to work on the following items:
J4.9
J4.11
J5.2.1 - Vote to publish Full Text 3.0 Requirements & Use Cases as WG Note
Q2.3


Key:
J = Joint Query/XSLT meeting;
Q = Query-only meeting


Teleconference connection details
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(Member only)
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2015Sep/0014.html



SUMMARY OF DECISIONS
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Note to secretary: Please insert a summary of all decisions made during 
this teleconference at this location in the minutes.

Decisions MUST be clear as to their complete intent.  The subject of the 
decision should *not* require dereferencing; it is most helpful if 
agenda numbers and bug numbers are accompanied by their titles.  If a 
decision is recorded about the resolution of a bug, the decision must 
state exactly what the resolution is (e.g., "Accept the solution in 
comment #5", or "Replace the production for XXX with this: <new 
production>", or the like.  It should be possible to read a decision 
months later and be certain what it meant and whether or not it was 
properly applied.


NEW ACTION ITEMS
================
Note to secretary: Please insert all new action items assigned during 
this teleconference at this location in the minutes.

Action items MUST make sense even when they are viewed standalone (that 
is, not read in the context of the agenda item where they were 
assigned).  This explicitly requires that all referents (e.g., "this", 
"that") be made clear.  Action items such as "Ralph to resolve this 
problem" are DISALLOWED.  It takes a scribe only a few additional 
minutes to ensure that action items are clear, while it takes the entire 
WG considerable effort to constantly research the meaning of unclear 
action items.  The subject of the action item should *not* require 
dereferencing; it is most helpful if agenda numbers and bug numbers are 
accompanied by their titles.



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Joint XML Query Working Group and XSL Working Group
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J1. Administrative Items

J1.1 Selection of secretary(s)

John Snelson has been asked to take the minutes. Josh has been asked to 
stand by.


NOTE: The chair will confirm the secretary prior to the start of the 
meeting.


Most recent secretaries (least-recent participants first):
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(This list identifies the most recent three occasions when each 
participant acted as Secretary for the Task Force.  The person whose 
name is at the top of the list should plan to take the minutes at the 
meeting identified by this agenda; if that person is unavailable, then 
the job will fall to the next person on the list, etc.

John Snelson        - 2015-07-16, 2015-06-02, 2015-02-11
Josh Spiegel        - 2015-09-08, 2015-03-24, 2014-12-09
Tim Mills           - 2015-09-15, 2015-04-21, 2015-02-03
Norm Walsh          - 2015-09-22, 2015-05-05, 2015-01-27
Jonathan Robie      - 2015-10-29, 2015-05-12, 2015-01-13
Liam Quin           - 2015-10-06, 2015-06-16, 2015-03-10
Adam Retter         - 2015-10-20, 2015-04-21, 2015-01-20
O'Neil Delpratt     - 2015-10-27, 2015-06-23, 2015-03-17
Michael Sprbrg-McQn - 2015-10-03, 2015-06-09, 2015-03-03
Mike Kay            - 2015-11-10, 2015-07-15, 2015-04-14
Michael Dyck        - 2015-11-17, 2015-09-01, 2015-03-31



J1.2 Call the Roll -- NOT DONE DURING TELECONFERENCE

Note to secretary: During the meeting, take a note of the Webex 
participants, then list in the minutes those present and those who sent 
regrets.  All others will be presumed to have been absent without regrets.


XML Query WG membership list: 
http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=18797&order=org

XSL WG membership list: 
http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=19552&order=org


Regrets:




J1.3 Approval of agenda

J1.3.1 Additions, deletions, or corrections?



J1.4 Review of recent minutes and administrative items

J1.4.1 Minutes of meeting #624 (Michael Dyck)
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Nov/0040.html



J1.5 Review of action items

NOTE: Please be prepared to respond quickly on your action items!

J1.5.1 Outstanding action items


ACTION A-579-18: Jonathan to write change proposal to support update of
maps and arrays.  (See agenda item Q2.1.1)

Status: Pending; ETA 2015-11-24


ACTION A-585-04: Jonathan to write a concrete proposal for XQuery Update
3.1 that makes preservation of node identity implementation defined at
the persistence layer.
See https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2014Nov/0012.html

Status: Pending; ETA 2015-11-24


ACTION A-622-02: Josh Spiegel to propose changes to XQueryX to support
new grammar for empty expressions in braces and return to group with a
proposal.

Status: Pending; ETA 2015-12-01


ACTION A-622-04: MK to apply the changes outlined in comment 1 of bug
29227 (Partially-defined focus) to the F and O spec.

Status: Pending; ETA 2015-11-24


ACTION A-623-01 Andy to do what's needed to republish the XQuery CR.

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.


ACTION A-624-03 on O'Neil to fix test suite re bug 29249
(Serialization-text-11).

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.


ACTION A-624-04 on JRobie to evaluate comment 12 of Bug 29277
([XP31] Evaluating function calls does not mention evaluation of dynamic
or static function calls that have no FunctionBody)

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.


ACTION A-624-05 on Andy to request publication of Serialization 3.1
as revised CR.

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.


ACTION A-624-06 on Andy to request publication of XPath 3.1
as revised CR.

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.



J1.5.2 Completed action items


ACTION A-618-01: Loren to change the schema for serialization to allow
for EQNames.

Status: Closed; Actioned by MSM; See latest editors' draft.


ACTION A-622-03: MSM and AC (as serialization editors) to draft an
editorial proposal to resolve 29217 without substantive change to the
spec.

Status: Closed; Proposal accepted by WG an in latest editors' draft


ACTION A-623-03 on the Serialization editors to add a note to the spec 
explaining the decision on bug 29270

Status: Closed; Proposal accepted by WG an in latest editors' draft


ACTION A-624-01 on MKay to apply the fix for Bug 29269
([FO31] map:for-each still mentions map:for-each-entry).

Status: Closed; See
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29269#c1


ACTION A-624-02 on MKay to correct the example noted in Bug 29266
(Incorrect example for array:sort).

Status: Closed; See
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29266#c1


ACTION A-624-07 on Andy to fix Bug 29116 ([FT30] old version numbers)
and send request to publish Full Text 3.0.

Status: Closed; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Nov/0043.html



J1.6 Update on related activities

J1.6.1 Update on XSLT WG activities (Sharon, MikeK)



J1.6.2 Update on EXPath/EXQuery CG activities (Loren)



J1.7 Future Meetings

J1.7.1 QT Meeting Schedule

[V43] Joint XML Query/XSL WG meeting schedule
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2015Jul/0038.html


J1.7.2 Future F2F Meetings

J1.7.2.1 Other future F2F meetings

TBD


J2. Documents For Review

(none)



J3. Maintenance Issues

J3.0 The XML Query WG and XSLT WG do not intend to maintains specs 
earlier than the 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches 
Recommendation, maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.

This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other problems 
reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) suite of specifications.


J3.0.1 Concerns raised by the XSLT working group in regards to potential
completion delays of XSLT 3.0 if XPath 3.0 is made obsoleted by 3.1

Status: Pending the outcome of Abel's review of 3.0 bugs/errata.
        Any change to the status of the 3.0 specs requires explicit XSL WG
        consultation. 


J3.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of joint XML Query WG and 
XSLT WG documents

J3.1.1 Bugzilla Bug 24568, Is the type system really a lattice? Or just 
a partially ordered set?
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24568

Status: Fixed in Data Model 3.1; not expected to be addressed in Data 
Model 3.0


J3.1.2 Bugzilla Bug 25231, [F+O 3.0 ONLY], ISO 8601, and XSD 1.1
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25231

Status: Fixed in F&O 3.1; not expected to be addressed in F&O 3.0


J3.1.3 Bugzilla Bug 26788, [XPath30] XQuery-only errors in XPath 3.0 
specification, like XQST0134"
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26788

Status: Fixed in XPath 3.1; not expected to be addressed in XPath 3.0



J4. Active Specification Development

J4.1 Full Text 3.0 (Jim)

J4.1.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-30/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-30/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-30/src/changes.txt

(none)


J4.2 Full Text 3.0 Requirements and Use Cases (Jim)

J4.2.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xpath-full-text-30/html/Overview.html

(none)



J4.3 Full Text 3.1 (Zed Zhou)

J4.1.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-31/src/changes.txt

Zed Zhou should prepare a draft of this document with at least some 
technical changes (relative to Full Text 3.0) already made so the WGs 
can consider if they like the direction.



J4.4 Full Text 3.1 Requirements and Use Cases (Zed Zhou)

J4.4.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xpath-full-text-31/html/Overview.html

Zed Zhou should prepare a draft of this document with the necessary 
requirements and at least some use cases for the WGs to consider.  We 
should spend significant time determining which requirements the WGs 
will accept.



J4.5 XPath and XQuery 3.1 Requirements and Use Cases (Jonathan)

J4.5.0 Internal working drafts
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xquery-31/html/Overview.html

(none)


J4.6 Data Model 3.1 (Norm)

J4.6.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/src/changes.txt

(none)


J4.7 Functions and Operators 3.1 (Mike Kay)

J4.7.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/src/changes.txt


J4.7.1 Bug 29146 - [FO31] fn:transform options update
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29146

Status: Pending outcome of XSL WG's discussion on this.



J4.8 Serialization 3.1 (Michael Sperberg-McQueen, Andy)

J4.8.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/src/changes.txt


(none)


J4.9 XPath 3.1 (Jonathan)

J4.9.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt


J4.9.1 Bug 29277 - [XP31] Evaluating function calls does not mention 
evaluation of dynamic or static function calls that have no FunctionBody

Status: Pending completion of A-624-04



J4.10 Grammar Test Applets (Michael Dyck)

J4.10.1 Bugzilla Bug 13796, [Applet30] \u escaped characters in grammar 
applets
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13796

Status: Pending



J4.11 QT3 test suite (O'Neil)

J4.11.1 Status report on test suite, harness, tools


J4.11.2 Status of 3.1 tests

Status: Coverage is almost complete.


J4.11.3 Publication of test suite.

Status: Ready to discuss


J4.11.4 Bug 27908 - K2-SeqDocFunc-12
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27908

Status: Ready to discuss


J4.11.5 Bug 29259 - [QT3TS] subarray() errorcode for test d1e76078
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29259

Status: Ready to discuss


J4.11.6 Bug 29253 - [XQ3TS] fn-matches-50
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29253

Status: Ready to discuss


J4.11.7 Bug 29258 - [QT3TS] omitted Expr in EnclosedExpr
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29258

Status: Ready to discuss


J4.11.5 Bug 29308 - [QT3TS] Dependencies for UCA Collation tests
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29308

Status: Ready to discuss



J4.12 FT 3.1 test suite (???)

* Need test suite developer/manager

* Need tests



J5. Progression of Work

J5.1 XSLT 3.0, XQuery 3.1, XQueryX 3.1, XPath 3.1, XDM 3.1, F&O 3.1, 
Serialization 3.1

J5.1.1 Current status

* In Candidate Recommendation; awaiting implementation reports


J5.1.2 Dependencies inhibiting progression

* Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory

* Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof

* Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters

* PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request

* REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request



J5.2 Full Text 3.0

J5.2.1 Current Status

* Recommendation

J5.2.1 Vote to publish Full Text 3.0 Requirements and Use Cases as WG Note

Status: Ready to discuss


J5.3 Update 3.0

J5.3.1 Current Status

* In Last Call Working Draft


J5.3.2 Require owner of XQUF 3.0 Test Suite


J5.3.3 Dependencies inhibiting progression

* CR Transition Request and authorization, CR pub request

* Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory

* Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof

* Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters

* PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request

* REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request



J6. Any other business

J6.1 Consideration of future work

J6.1.1 QT 3.2

The WGs decided that we will finish the 3.1 documents presently under way,
but undertake no new work. Maintenance work should be planned upon for a
period of time after finishing the specifications. 


J6.1.2 FT 3.1

EMC has expressed interest and is willing to provide resources


J6.1.3 Update 3.1

Unclear whether there is adequate interest or resources



J7. Adjourn




=======================
XML Query Working Group
=======================

Q1. The XML Query WG does not intend to maintains specs earlier than the 
3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches Recommendation, 
maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.

Q1.0 This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other 
problems reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) XML Query WG suite of 
specifications.

Status: Pending completion of ACTION A-592-02.

Q1.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of XML Query WG documents

(none)



Q2. Active Specification Development

Q2.1 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 (John)

Q2.1.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/src/changes.txt

* The WG needs to obtain implementation experience with this document.


Q2.2 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 Requirements and Use Cases (Andy)
See 
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html

* The WGs need to be certain that this document is completed 
(red/yellow/green bullets on requirements, all the use cases intended to 
be published) and a decision made to advance it to WG Note.


Q2.3 XQuery 3.1 (Jonathan)

Q2.3.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt


Q2.3.1 Bug 29246 - [XQ31] context item declarations
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29246

Status: Ready to discuss



Q2.4 XQueryX 3.1 (Josh)

Q2.4.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/src/changes.txt

(none)



Q3. Test Suite Development

Q3.1 Update Facility 3.0 Test Suite (????)

* Need test suite developer/manager

* Need tests 



Q4. Any other business



Q5. Adjourn

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