- From: Andrew Coleman <andrew_coleman@uk.ibm.com>
- Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 15:33:47 +0000
- To: public-xsl-query@w3.org
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DRAFT XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #624 Agenda 2015-11-17
Andy will chair this meeting.
PLEASE SEND CORRECTIONS AND ADDITIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO A REVISED
AGENDA CAN BE PREPARED IN A TIMELY MANNER!
Changes in this agenda:
(none)
This week, I'd like us to work on the following items:
J4.7
J4.8
J4.9
J5.1.3 - Vote to re-publish Serialization 3.1 as CR
Key:
J = Joint Query/XSLT meeting;
Q = Query-only meeting
Teleconference connection details
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(Member only)
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2015Sep/0014.html
SUMMARY OF DECISIONS
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Note to secretary: Please insert a summary of all decisions made during
this teleconference at this location in the minutes.
Decisions MUST be clear as to their complete intent. The subject of the
decision should *not* require dereferencing; it is most helpful if
agenda numbers and bug numbers are accompanied by their titles. If a
decision is recorded about the resolution of a bug, the decision must
state exactly what the resolution is (e.g., "Accept the solution in
comment #5", or "Replace the production for XXX with this: <new
production>", or the like. It should be possible to read a decision
months later and be certain what it meant and whether or not it was
properly applied.
NEW ACTION ITEMS
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Note to secretary: Please insert all new action items assigned during
this teleconference at this location in the minutes.
Action items MUST make sense even when they are viewed standalone (that
is, not read in the context of the agenda item where they were
assigned). This explicitly requires that all referents (e.g., "this",
"that") be made clear. Action items such as "Ralph to resolve this
problem" are DISALLOWED. It takes a scribe only a few additional
minutes to ensure that action items are clear, while it takes the entire
WG considerable effort to constantly research the meaning of unclear
action items. The subject of the action item should *not* require
dereferencing; it is most helpful if agenda numbers and bug numbers are
accompanied by their titles.
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Joint XML Query Working Group and XSL Working Group
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J1. Administrative Items
J1.1 Selection of secretary(s)
John Snelson has been asked to take the minutes. Loren has been asked to
stand by.
NOTE: The chair will confirm the secretary prior to the start of the
meeting.
Most recent secretaries (least-recent participants first):
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(This list identifies the most recent three occasions when each
participant acted as Secretary for the Task Force. The person whose
name is at the top of the list should plan to take the minutes at the
meeting identified by this agenda; if that person is unavailable, then
the job will fall to the next person on the list, etc.
John Snelson - 2015-07-16, 2015-06-02, 2015-02-11
Loren Cahlander - 2015-07-17, 2015-05-19, 2015-02-10
Michael Dyck - 2015-09-01, 2015-03-31, 2014-12-16
Josh Spiegel - 2015-09-08, 2015-03-24, 2014-12-09
Tim Mills - 2015-09-15, 2015-04-21, 2015-02-03
Norm Walsh - 2015-09-22, 2015-05-05, 2015-01-27
Jonathan Robie - 2015-10-29, 2015-05-12, 2015-01-13
Liam Quin - 2015-10-06, 2015-06-16, 2015-03-10
Adam Retter - 2015-10-20, 2015-04-21, 2015-01-20
O'Neil Delpratt - 2015-10-27, 2015-06-23, 2015-03-17
Michael Sprbrg-McQn - 2015-10-03, 2015-06-09, 2015-03-03
Mike Kay - 2015-11-10, 2015-07-15, 2015-04-14
J1.2 Call the Roll -- NOT DONE DURING TELECONFERENCE
Note to secretary: During the meeting, take a note of the Webex
participants, then list in the minutes those present and those who sent
regrets. All others will be presumed to have been absent without regrets.
XML Query WG membership list:
http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=18797&order=org
XSL WG membership list:
http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=19552&order=org
Regrets:
J1.3 Approval of agenda
J1.3.1 Additions, deletions, or corrections?
J1.4 Review of recent minutes and administrative items
J1.4.1 Minutes of meeting #623 (Mike Kay)
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Nov/0033.html
J1.5 Review of action items
NOTE: Please be prepared to respond quickly on your action items!
J1.5.1 Outstanding action items
ACTION A-579-18: Jonathan to write change proposal to support update of
maps and arrays. (See agenda item Q2.1.1)
Status: Pending; ETA 2015-11-24
ACTION A-585-04: Jonathan to write a concrete proposal for XQuery Update
3.1 that makes preservation of node identity implementation defined at
the persistence layer.
See https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2014Nov/0012.html
Status: Pending; ETA 2015-11-24
ACTION A-618-01: Loren to change the schema for serialization to allow
for EQNames.
Status: Pending; ETA not specified.
ACTION A-622-02: Josh Spiegel to propose changes to XQueryX to support
new grammar for empty expressions in braces and return to group with a
proposal.
Status: Pending; ETA not specified.
ACTION A-622-03: MSM and AC (as serialization editors) to draft an
editorial proposal to resolve 29217 without substantive change to the
spec.
Status: Pending; ETA 2015-11-17
ACTION A-622-04: MK to apply the changes outlined in comment 1 of bug
29227 (Partially-defined focus) to the F and O spec.
Status: Pending; ETA 2015-11-17
ACTION A-623-01 Andy to do what's needed to republish the XQuery CR.
Status: Pending; ETA not specified.
ACTION A-623-03 on the Serialization editors to add a note to the spec
explaining the decision on bug 29270
Status: Pending; ETA not specified.
J1.5.2 Completed action items
ACTION A-619-01: Liam to add links to new mailing list onto XQuery group
page
Status: Closed; See
https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Query
ACTION A-621-04: Jonathan to update the words in XQuery for empty
expressions in braces
Status: Closed; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Nov/0036.html
ACTION A-622-06: JR to make the change proposed by Michael Dyck in comment
1 of
Bug 29246 ([XQ31] context item declarations) and then close the bug.
Status: Closed; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Nov/0031.html
ACTION A-622-08: JR to change the words of the XQuery spec to
implement item (C) of bug 29225 [XQ31] Pragma in no namespace.
Status: Closed; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Nov/0030.html
ACTION A-623-02 Andy to contact Christian Grün again about his willingness
to commit effort to XQuery Update.
Status: Closed; Sent a private note.
ACTION A-623-04 on the Serialization editors to make a proposal as to how
bug 29272 should be resolved.
Status: Closed; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Nov/0035.html
ACTION A 623-05 on the Serialization editors to make a proposal as to how
bug 29273 should be resolved.
Status: Closed; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Nov/0035.html
ACTION A-623-06 Jonathan Robie to add to the spec a note along the lines
suggested by Christian in bug 29260
Status: Closed; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Nov/0037.html
J1.6 Update on related activities
J1.6.1 Update on XSLT WG activities (Sharon, MikeK)
J1.6.2 Update on EXPath/EXQuery CG activities (Loren)
J1.7 Future Meetings
J1.7.1 QT Meeting Schedule
[V43] Joint XML Query/XSL WG meeting schedule
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2015Jul/0038.html
J1.7.2 Future F2F Meetings
J1.7.2.1 Other future F2F meetings
TBD
J2. Documents For Review
(none)
J3. Maintenance Issues
J3.0 The XML Query WG and XSLT WG do not intend to maintains specs
earlier than the 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches
Recommendation, maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.
This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other problems
reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) suite of specifications.
J3.0.1 Concerns raised by the XSLT working group in regards to potential
completion delays of XSLT 3.0 if XPath 3.0 is made obsoleted by 3.1
Status: Pending the outcome of Abel's review of 3.0 bugs/errata.
Any change to the status of the 3.0 specs requires explicit XSL WG
consultation.
J3.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of joint XML Query WG and
XSLT WG documents
J3.1.1 Bugzilla Bug 24568, Is the type system really a lattice? Or just
a partially ordered set?
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24568
Status: Fixed in Data Model 3.1; not expected to be addressed in Data
Model 3.0
J3.1.2 Bugzilla Bug 25231, [F+O 3.0 ONLY], ISO 8601, and XSD 1.1
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25231
Status: Fixed in F&O 3.1; not expected to be addressed in F&O 3.0
J3.1.3 Bugzilla Bug 26788, [XPath30] XQuery-only errors in XPath 3.0
specification, like XQST0134"
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26788
Status: Fixed in XPath 3.1; not expected to be addressed in XPath 3.0
J4. Active Specification Development
J4.1 Full Text 3.0 (Jim)
J4.1.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-30/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-30/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-30/src/changes.txt
(none)
J4.2 Full Text 3.0 Requirements and Use Cases (Jim)
J4.2.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xpath-full-text-30/html/Overview.html
(none)
J4.3 Full Text 3.1 (Zed Zhou)
J4.1.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-31/src/changes.txt
Zed Zhou should prepare a draft of this document with at least some
technical changes (relative to Full Text 3.0) already made so the WGs
can consider if they like the direction.
J4.4 Full Text 3.1 Requirements and Use Cases (Zed Zhou)
J4.4.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xpath-full-text-31/html/Overview.html
Zed Zhou should prepare a draft of this document with the necessary
requirements and at least some use cases for the WGs to consider. We
should spend significant time determining which requirements the WGs
will accept.
J4.5 XPath and XQuery 3.1 Requirements and Use Cases (Jonathan)
J4.5.0 Internal working drafts
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xquery-31/html/Overview.html
(none)
J4.6 Data Model 3.1 (Norm)
J4.6.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/src/changes.txt
(none)
J4.7 Functions and Operators 3.1 (Mike Kay)
J4.7.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/src/changes.txt
J4.7.1 Bug 29146 - [FO31] fn:transform options update
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29146
Status: Pending outcome of XSL WG's discussion on this.
J4.7.2 Bug 29269 - [FO31] map:for-each still mentions map:for-each-entry
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29269
Status: Ready to discuss.
J4.7.3 Bug 29266 - Incorrect example for array:sort
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29266
Status: Ready to discuss.
J4.8 Serialization 3.1 (Michael Sperberg-McQueen, Andy)
J4.8.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/src/changes.txt
J4.8.1 Bug 29217 - [SER31] Serialization of newlines
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29217
Status: Pending completion of A-622-03
J4.8.2 Bug 29272 - [SER31] Adaptive Serialization of items other than
nodes
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29272
Status: Ready to discuss; See proposal:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Nov/0035.html
J4.8.3 Bug 29273 - [SER31] Adaptive Serialization: serialization of
strings, result of fn:string
Status: Ready to discuss; Proposal combined with previous agenda item.
J4.9 XPath 3.1 (Jonathan)
J4.9.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt
J4.9.1 Bug 29277 - [XP31] Evaluating function calls does not mention
evaluation of dynamic or static function calls that have no FunctionBody
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29277
Status: Ready to discuss
J4.10 Grammar Test Applets (Michael Dyck)
J4.10.1 Bugzilla Bug 13796, [Applet30] \u escaped characters in grammar
applets
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13796
Status: Pending
J4.11 QT3 test suite (O'Neil)
J4.11.1 Status report on test suite, harness, tools
J4.11.2 Status of 3.1 tests
Status: Coverage is almost complete.
J4.11.3 Publication of test suite.
Status: Ready to discuss
J4.12 FT 3.1 test suite (???)
* Need test suite developer/manager
* Need tests
J5. Progression of Work
J5.1 XSLT 3.0, XQuery 3.1, XQueryX 3.1, XPath 3.1, XDM 3.1, F&O 3.1,
Serialization 3.1
J5.1.1 Current status
* In Candidate Recommendation; awaiting implementation reports
J5.1.2 Dependencies inhibiting progression
* Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory
* Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof
* Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters
* PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request
* REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request
J5.1.3 Vote to publish Serialization 3.1 as revised Candidate
Recommendation
Status: Ready to discuss
J5.2 Full Text 3.0
J5.2.1 Current Status
* Proposed Recommendation
J5.2.2 Dependencies inhibiting progression
* REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request
J5.3 Update 3.0
J5.3.1 Current Status
* In Last Call Working Draft
J5.3.2 Require owner of XQUF 3.0 Test Suite
J5.3.3 Dependencies inhibiting progression
* CR Transition Request and authorization, CR pub request
* Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory
* Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof
* Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters
* PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request
* REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request
J6. Any other business
J6.1 Consideration of future work
J6.1.1 QT 3.2
The WGs decided that we will finish the 3.1 documents presently under way,
but undertake no new work. Maintenance work should be planned upon for a
period of time after finishing the specifications.
J6.1.2 FT 3.1
EMC has expressed interest and is willing to provide resources
J6.1.3 Update 3.1
Unclear whether there is adequate interest or resources
J7. Adjourn
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XML Query Working Group
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Q1. The XML Query WG does not intend to maintains specs earlier than the
3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches Recommendation,
maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.
Q1.0 This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other
problems reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) XML Query WG suite of
specifications.
Status: Pending completion of ACTION A-592-02.
Q1.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of XML Query WG documents
(none)
Q2. Active Specification Development
Q2.1 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 (John)
Q2.1.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/src/changes.txt
* The WG needs to obtain implementation experience with this document.
Q2.2 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 Requirements and Use Cases (Andy)
See
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html
* The WGs need to be certain that this document is completed
(red/yellow/green bullets on requirements, all the use cases intended to
be published) and a decision made to advance it to WG Note.
Q2.3 XQuery 3.1 (Jonathan)
Q2.3.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt
(none)
Q2.4 XQueryX 3.1 (Josh)
Q2.4.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/src/changes.txt
(none)
Q3. Test Suite Development
Q3.1 Update Facility 3.0 Test Suite (????)
* Need test suite developer/manager
* Need tests
Q4. Any other business
Q5. Adjourn
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