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Databinding WG Teleconference
6 Jun 2006
[2]Agenda
See also: [3]IRC log
Attendees
Present
Jon Calladine, (BT)
George Cowe (Origo Services)
Paul Downey (Chair, BT)
Otu Ekanem (BT)
Ajith Ranabahu (WSO2)
Regrets
Yves Lafon (W3C)
Chair
pauld
Scribe
pauld
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]F2F planning
2. [6]ISSUE-12: identifying a conformant schema
3. [7]ISSUE-35: Design Considerations as Warnings
4. [8]ISSUE-2: WSDL and the Test Suite (Auto-generation
of )
5. [9]ISSUE-9: Support for xs:union
6. [10]ISSUE-34: multiple schemas for a single namespace
7. [11]ISSUE-33 is xs:Choice a Basic Pattern?
* [12]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 06 June 2006
<scribe> Scribe: pauld
F2F planning
pauld: trying to line up a F2F last week in July/First week in
August depending upon a room
ISSUE-12: identifying a conformant schema
george: spoke to Mark, both came to the conclusion that
looking for what isn't allowed is far easier than recognising
allowed patterns
... the catch-all doesn't seem to work for us
jonc: highlighting what NOT to use isn't politically correct
george: yes, I realise
pauld: worried how this impacts how we work
george: is it sufficient to only report patterns in use, and
leave as an exercise for the reader to work out what else is
in there? (doesn't seem likely, though easy to implement)
pauld: wondering if it's a problem of how we're working or our
proposed use of schematron that's the issue here?
<Ajith> bit noisy !
<pauld> BT are on a polycon in The City with roadworks going
on outside.
pauld: seems like we need to consider finer grained patterns
and/or another XPath based tool to make progress
pauld: I'm unhappy at this point to change the way we work
given it looks promising from a spec-layering POV.
pauld: George sent me some schematron this morning which
looked very promising.
<scribe> ACTION: pdowney to solicit help based upon George's
work on Schematron [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/06-databinding-minutes.html#acti
on01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-44 - Solicit help based upon
George\'s work on Schematron [on Paul Downey - due
2006-06-13].
- seems to me that finer grained patterns will help us here -
patterns such as 'Collection' are too big at the moment, and I
suspect this is likely to be at the root of our difficulties.
pauld: thanks George for his work on this!
ISSUE-35: Design Considerations as Warnings
pauld: if Yves was here I'd ask about adding XPath rules for
our design considerations in our xmlspec
ISSUE-2: WSDL and the Test Suite (Auto-generation of )
pauld: I worked with Otu and generated WSDL and example SOAP
1.1/1.2 documents
pauld: each WSDL contains an echoX operation to echo an
element of type X, and in most Java toolkits the generated
server function is:
X echoX(X p) {
return p;
}
and .NET C# is just:
void echoX(ref X p) {
return;
}
jonc: been using Axis2 thanks to the databinding framework to
generate Java code, but had a few niggles deploying our
services using Tungston, would appreciate some WSO2 assistance
ajith: Jon sent me some WSDL, I'll take a look
pauld: looks promising, I'll keep ISSUE-2 open as a
placeholder for now
ISSUE-9: Support for xs:union
jonc: we generated some WSDL using Yves script hacked by Pauld
using a union pattern
jonc: several tools bailed, notably Axis2 when we used the ADB
binding framework
[14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding
/2006Jun/0005.html
pauld: certainly doesn't look like a basic pattern to me, but
is it an advanced pattern?
... saw two different patterns for union from jon
<scribe> ACTION: jcalladi to submit pattern for ISSUE-9
[recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/06-databinding-minutes.html#acti
on02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-45 - Submit pattern for ISSUE-9 [on
Jonathan Calladine - due 2006-06-13].
<scribe> ACTION: jcalladi to create issue for alternative
pattern for union [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/06-databinding-minutes.html#acti
on03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-46 - Create issue for alternative
pattern for union [on Jonathan Calladine - due 2006-06-13].
ISSUE-34: multiple schemas for a single namespace
pauld: went to the basic profile WG with George's issue
... feel bad at the result, but my clarification does at least
document the status quo which has to be better than being
ambiguous, no?
george: does lead us to feel that databinding tools aren't
ideal for our customers
pauld: all databinding tools suck!
george: I guess the reality is that we going to have to
revisit our namespace policy
pauld: to be fair it's really less of a databinding issue and
more of a WSDL types section issue, which is the thrust of my
clarification
pauld: So what should I do with this issue now?
george: we can progress it in the WS-I ourselves
RESOLUTION: close ISSUE-34 with no action
pauld: fwiw I'm at the next WS-I Plenary and intend to present
on behalf of the WG at the opening session
ISSUE-33 is xs:Choice a Basic Pattern?
pauld: I'm considering reopening this issue in the light of
how we are now working
pauld: George, it was your issue, how do you feel about going
back and reopening it?
george: happy to reopen it
pauld: will reopen ISSUE-33 and put it on the Agenda for the
next WG meeting
... practical experience means it doesn't belong in basic
patterns, so should it be moved to advanced?
george: ditching Choice from Basic patterns isn't going to
look good!
pauld: isn't going to look good for whom? :-)
pauld: OK, time's up - thanks for your work this week, I think
we've made some progress
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: jcalladi to create issue for alternative pattern
for union [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/06-databinding-minutes.html#acti
on03]
[NEW] ACTION: jcalladi to submit pattern for ISSUE-9 [recorded
in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/06-databinding-minutes.html#acti
on02]
[NEW] ACTION: pdowney to solicit help based upon George's
worth [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2006/06/06-databinding-minutes.html#acti
on01]
[End of minutes]
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References
1. http://www.w3.org/
2. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2006Jun/0006.html
3. http://www.w3.org/2006/06/06-databinding-irc
4. http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/6/6/06-databinding-minutes.html#agenda
5. http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/6/6/06-databinding-minutes.html#item01
6. http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/6/6/06-databinding-minutes.html#item02
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11. http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/6/6/06-databinding-minutes.html#item07
12. http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/6/6/06-databinding-minutes.html#ActionSummary
13. http://www.w3.org/2006/06/06-databinding-minutes.html#action01
14. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2006Jun/0005.html
15. http://www.w3.org/2006/06/06-databinding-minutes.html#action02
16. http://www.w3.org/2006/06/06-databinding-minutes.html#action03
17. http://www.w3.org/2006/06/06-databinding-minutes.html#action03
18. http://www.w3.org/2006/06/06-databinding-minutes.html#action02
19. http://www.w3.org/2006/06/06-databinding-minutes.html#action01
20. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
21. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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