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Re: Hypermedia - Why

From: mca <mca@amundsen.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 08:54:13 -0400
Message-ID: <CAPW_8m7Hnh0Z67gRCa2QGEk3=YYwxhzpCntzYXNXsR+10+Fraw@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Rushforth, Peter" <Peter.Rushforth@nrcan-rncan.gc.ca>
Cc: David Lee <David.Lee@marklogic.com>, David Carlisle <davidc@nag.co.uk>, "public-xmlhypermedia@w3.org" <public-xmlhypermedia@w3.org>
Peter:

I think a simple Rationale para would help me get a clear head on this
item. You can post it in the wiki w/ new thread here and we can discuss.

IMO, if we take this in small chunks along the way, it will be easy to
focus.

We can still continue lots of valuable discussion here. I'd just like to
have some threads w/ an eye toward the doc/rec items directly.

comment David(s)? anyone?

mca
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On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Rushforth, Peter <
Peter.Rushforth@nrcan-rncan.gc.ca> wrote:

> You can be sure I'll let you know!  :-)
>
> But in the meantime, we should proceed without any assumptions.
>
> Do you think the "why" is laid out well enough?
>
> Peter
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Lee [mailto:David.Lee@marklogic.com]
> > Sent: July 26, 2012 08:44
> > To: Rushforth, Peter; David Carlisle
> > Cc: public-xmlhypermedia@w3.org
> > Subject: RE: Hypermedia - Why
> >
> > Call me back when you get an answer.
> >
> > Until then, we can proceed without worrying what namespace
> > (if any) this work ends up  in.
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
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> > David Lee
> > Lead Engineer
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rushforth, Peter [mailto:Peter.Rushforth@NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 8:39 AM
> > > To: David Lee; David Carlisle
> > > Cc: public-xmlhypermedia@w3.org
> > > Subject: RE: Hypermedia - Why
> > >
> > > To the spokespeople of the w3c: Why not the xml: namespace ?  You
> > > defined the architecture of the web, did you not?  Are the two
> > > incompatible in some way?
> > >
> > > Not willing to take it off the table until we hear "why" :-).
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: David Lee [mailto:David.Lee@marklogic.com]
> > > > Sent: July 26, 2012 08:36
> > > > To: Rushforth, Peter; David Carlisle
> > > > Cc: public-xmlhypermedia@w3.org
> > > > Subject: RE: Hypermedia - Why
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > As to "why the xml namespace" aspect, I think it is
> > > > important to hand
> > > > > developers the tools for the job.  Namespaces are not part
> > > > of XML, and
> > > > > indeed not everyone wants to use them, and I think the goal
> > > > of XML is
> > > > > to be successful on the internet, namespaces or not.
> > > > > To do that, I believe a language needs to have elements
> > > > which reflect
> > > > > the environment of deployment.
> > > >
> > > > I suggest pragmatically taking this goal of the table for
> > the simple
> > > > fact that it is not going to happen.
> > > > W3C "owns" the "xml:" prefix. (and namespace).   They have
> > > > made it perfectly clear the scope of things they are
> > willing to add,
> > > > and that scope is prety much zero right now.
> > > > This is not a fight we will win, regardless of merit.  I
> > bet you a
> > > > 100 year old scotch on that.
> > > >
> > > > So I suggest, again pragmatically, that if this effort has
> > > > *any* chance of adoption that it be implemented either with no
> > > > namespace attributes or with a distinct non-xml: namespace
> > > > or both   .
> > > >
> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > ---------------
> > > > David Lee
> > > > Lead Engineer
> > > > MarkLogic Corporation
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