- From: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
- Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 10:27:13 -0500
- To: public-xml-processing-model-wg@w3.org
- Message-ID: <87mw96bmzy.fsf@nwalsh.com>
See http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/10/08-minutes
[1]W3C
- DRAFT -
XML Processing Model WG
Meeting 252, 08 Oct 2014
[2]Agenda
See also: [3]IRC log
Attendees
Present
Norm, Jim, Loren, Alex, Vojtech
Regrets
Chair
Norm
Scribe
Norm
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Accept this agenda?
2. [6]Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
3. [7]Next meeting: 15 Oct 2014
4. [8]Disposition of action items
5. [9]Issue #62, 2.5.1 Specify types of variables, options, and
parameters.
6. [10]Issue #38, 2.7.5 Syntax: allow p:inline to be optional.
7. [11]Issue #53, 3.9 Consider dividing the specification.
8. [12]Issue #37, 2.7.4 Syntax: allow <p:input port="portname"/>
9. [13]2.1 Simplify parameters
10. [14]Any other business?
* [15]Summary of Action Items
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Accept this agenda?
-> [16]http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/10/08-agenda
Accepted.
Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
-> [17]http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/10/01-minutes
Accepted.
Next meeting: 15 Oct 2014
No regrets heard.
Disposition of action items
Norm runs through the resolutions.
Norm: Anyone have questions, comments, or concerns about the errata or the
disposition of those actions?
None heard.
Issue #62, 2.5.1 Specify types of variables, options, and parameters. See
proposal.
-> [18]https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues/62
-> [19]https://ndw.github.io/specification/langspec/var-types/head/
Alex: I see the 'as' attributes in the syntax.
->
[20]https://ndw.github.io/specification/langspec/var-types/head/diff.html
Alex: We've never laid out the context for this very well.
Norm: Fair enough.
... I've created issue 80 to track this.
Jim: Are we planning to throw an error if the types don't match?
Norm: Yes.
Norm: Any further discussion?
... I propose to accept the var-types proposal. Any objections?
<jfuller> +1
None heard.
Issue #38, 2.7.5 Syntax: allow p:inline to be optional See pull request #77.
-> [21]https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues/38
-> [22]https://github.com/xproc/specification/pull/77
->
[23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2014Oct/0000.html
Jim: Basically, things have moved on a little since that email.
Norm: How about I leave this on the agenda for a week. I'll help get the
toolchain setup so that we can review the changed spec.
Issue #53, 3.9 Consider dividing the specification.
-> [24]https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues/53
Norm: Everytime we talk about this we waffle a bit. Last time we talked
about splitting, Liam was concerned. But since he never turns up for our
calls...
Alex: What would we do, exactly?
... There could be a language specification and a second spec with a
vocabulary of steps.
... It requires people to look at multiple specs, but that's hardly
uncommon.
Norm: Yep.
Alex: You could imagine a pipeline implementation that came with no steps.
Just your own custom steps.
Norm: One motivation for a separate spec for the vocabulary is so that it
can be revised on a different schedule.
Alex: There's lots of stuff we could do tactically if we had a separate
spec.
Norm: Is there anyone opposed to separate specs?
None heard.
Norm: Shall we split the XProc 2.0 spec into two specifications: a core
language specification and a step vocabulary specification?
... Anyone in favor?
Jim: I think it's a good idea.
Norm: Any objections.
<alexmilowski> +1
None heard.
Norm: Ok, I'll take a stab at it.
Issue #37, 2.7.4 Syntax: allow <p:input port="portname"/>
-> [25]https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues/37
<scribe> ACTION: A-252-01 Norm to see if the WG mailing list can be
subscribe to the github issue tracker. [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2014/10/08-xproc-minutes.html#action01]
Some discussion of the problems associated with our new github-based tool
chain.
Jim and Vojtech argue that this change is confusing wrt the default
readable port.
Vojtech: I also think it conflicts with the input declaration.
... I like the idea of a pipe attribute, which is similar to the
suggestion that we allow an href attribute on p:input.
Alex: There are two separate things going on, the shortcut for empty and
the idea of a shorthand for referencing other things.
... On the empty side, I wonder how much this has to do with parameters.
... That's where I've used it a lot and I don't know where else I've used
it.
... The shorthand to refer to other things is a different usability
question.
Norm: I think I'm hearing consensus *not* to make the change proposed in
issue #37.
... Anyone disagree?
... I propose that we reject this request.
... Any disagreement?
None heard.
2.1 Simplify parameters
->[27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2014Oct/0016.html
<Zakim> ht, you wanted to ask about 2.7.8, and other similar bits of the
spec
Henry: The new 2.7.8 is p:make-map()
... I don't think "markup errors are ignored" is acceptable.
... It occurs to me that we need to perhaps be more explicit about this.
We might need to think about giving a general purpose option between
strict and lax.
... Where what I have in mind is that the default behavior is we'll ignore
individual parameter bindings that we can't make sense of but if we can
find ones we can make sense of we'll use those.
... I think we have to be clear that it has to be a document.
... If it's not clear how to make sense of it, you have to halt and catch
fire. And there should be an option to specify that behavior if the
document isn't valid.
... I wonder if there are other things like this that we need to treat in
a more-or-less uniform manner.
<ht> By 'like this', I mean little XML languages in the c: namespace
Any other business?
None heard.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Norm to see if the WG mailing list can be subscribe to the
github issue tracker. [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2014/10/08-xproc-minutes.html#action01]
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References
1. http://www.w3.org/
2. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/10/08-agenda
3. http://www.w3.org/2014/10/08-xproc-irc
4. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/10/08-minutes#agenda
5. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/10/08-minutes#item01
6. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/10/08-minutes#item02
7. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/10/08-minutes#item03
8. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/10/08-minutes#item04
9. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/10/08-minutes#item04b
10. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/10/08-minutes#item05
11. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/10/08-minutes#item06
12. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/10/08-minutes#item07
13. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/10/08-minutes#item08
14. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/10/08-minutes#item09
15. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/10/08-minutes#ActionSummary
16. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/10/08-agenda
17. http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/10/01-minutes
18. https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues/62
19. https://ndw.github.io/specification/langspec/var-types/head/
20. https://ndw.github.io/specification/langspec/var-types/head/diff.html
21. https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues/38
22. https://github.com/xproc/specification/pull/77
23. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2014Oct/0000.html
24. https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues/53
25. https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues/37
26. http://www.w3.org/2014/10/08-xproc-minutes.html#action01
27. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2014Oct/0016.html
28. http://www.w3.org/2014/10/08-xproc-minutes.html#action01
29. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
30. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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