Minutes for XML Core WG telcon of 2013 February 20

Attendees
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  Norm
  Paul
  Jirka  xx:10
  Henry

[4 organizations (6 with proxies) present out of 8]

Regrets
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Mohamed, proxy to the chair
Daniel, proxy to the chair


Absent organizations
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W3C
Innovimax (with regrets, proxy to the chair)
Red Hat (with regrets, proxy to the chair)
John Cowan


Our next telcon is March 6.

> 1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
>   the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
>   or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).
>

Accepted.


>
> 2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.
> Names that begin [Xx][Mm][Ll]
> -----------------------------
> Norm drafted an erratum to "reserve" xml-* for PI targets
> and delete the restriction that we lay claim to other names
> that start with "xml", and various people commented.
>
> Norm added the latest wording to the Errata document at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/xml-V10-5e-errata

Nothing more for this until we issue a 6th Edition.


the XML normalization issue
---------------------------
This discussion started with a posting to xml-editor at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2013JanMar/0002
but then Norm found some more concerning issues at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2013Feb/0027
wherein different tools handle the combining characters differently.

It doesn't appear that it's obvious what the "right"
answer is.  Perhaps we need to add something to the
XML spec about this.  We need to research this some more.



>
> xmlspec.xsl and diffspec.xsl
> ----------------------------
> Paul sent email about this at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Nov/0014
>
> ACTION to Norm:  Come up with (and implement) a plan to
> reorganize xmlspec.xsl and diffspec.xsl to "do the right thing."
>
>
> DOM4
> ----
> Henry reported that DOM4 has removed (or deprecated) access to the
> XML Declaration. Our Infoset spec says that standalone, version,
> and the encoding are part of the information content of an XML
> document.
>
> Henry and Paul think the XML Core WG should send an email
> to the Web Applications Working Group (public-webapps@w3.org)
> to reinstate the parts of the xml decl that are in the Infoset.
>
> ACTION to Henry:  Draft the email and send to the XML Core list
> for WG approval.  Paul's email at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2013Jan/0017
> has some pointers and details.

John filed some thoughts to the contrary at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2013Feb/0026

Henry figures we should discuss this some more.
Norm is having a hard time caring about all this.

ACTION to Henry:  Reach out to the webapps working group
and/or others to try to collect some more data on this issue.

> 3.  XML Test Suite.
>
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite
>
> ACTION to Henry:  Construct a test case for the XML test suite
> issues raised by Frans Englich:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-testsuite/2007Mar/
>
>
> 4.  LEIRIs--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri
>
> We have planned to issue the following spec editions referencing
> LEIRIs (and any outstanding errata):
>
> * XML 1.0 6th Edition (John to be editor)
> * XML 1.1 3rd Edition (John to be editor)
> * XInclude 3rd Edition (Paul to be editor)
>
> but all this is on hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis.
> Henry has been added as an editor and there is now a new draft,
> draft-lilley-xml-mediatypes-00 at
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lilley-xml-mediatypes-00
> We now await this going through the IETF process.
>
>
> 5.  XInclude 1.1--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude
>
> On 2012 February 14, we published
> XInclude 1.1 Requirement and Use Cases
> http://www.w3.org/TR/xinclude-11-requirements/
>
> On 9 October 2012, we published our FPWD of XInclude 1.1 at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2012/10/WD-xinclude-11-20121009/
>
> On 15 January 2013, we published our (first) Last Call of
> XInclude 1.1 at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-xinclude-11-20130115/
> and Paul sent the transition announcement at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2013Jan/0012
> (also cc-ing the chairs mailing list).
>
> To date, there has been one comment posted to
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-xinclude-comments/
> Norm posted announcement of the XInclude 1.1 Last Call
> to the DocBook list and there have been some comments at
> https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/201301/threads.html#00005
> Norm posted announcement of the XInclude 1.1 Last Call
> to the xml-dev list at
> http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/201302/msg00023.html
> (No comments to date.)
>
> ACTION to Norm:  Prepare a Disposition of Comments document for
> XInclude 1.1.
>
> ACTION to Norm:  Create an Implementation Report document for
> XInclude 1.1.
>
>
> paul
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
> [2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
> [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2013Feb/0013
>
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