Minutes for XML Core WG telcon of 2012 May 2

Attendees
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Glenn
Paul
Liam


[3 organizations (5 with proxies) present out of 9]

Regrets
-------
Henry
Norm, proxy to the chair
Daniel, proxy to the chair
Jirka


Absent organizations
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Innovimax
MarkLogics (with regrets, proxy to the chair)
University of Edinburgh (with regrets)
Jirka Kosek (with regrets)
Daniel Veillard (with regrets, proxy to the chair)
John Cowan


Our next telcon will be May 16.  Liam gives regrets.


> 1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
>   the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
>   or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).
>

Accepted.

>
> 2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.
>
> Fall TPAC
> ---------
> There will be a TPAC meeting in Lyon, France in October/November:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Mar/0006
>
> We have signed up to have a WG f2f there.
>
> Likely to attend:  Norm, Liam, Henry, Jirka, Mohamed
> Not likely to attend:  Glenn, Paul, John, Daniel
>
>
> Request for xml:href et al.
> ---------------------------
> Someone (apparently from the National Research Council
> of Canada) sent a message to xml-editor archived at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2012AprJun/0000
> requesting that we add xml:href, xml:rel, and xml:type
> attributes.
>
> I assume the appropriate answer is to point him to
> the XLink spec and suggest he use xlink:href, etc.,
> but I figured its worth asking the WG to discuss this
> and ask for a volunteer to draft a response.
>

DV writes:

Agreed, linking outside of the document is not something which
need action at the parser level, so it doesn't need to be specified
in the core XML specification. It is then fine to point to other
specs in the area, and XLink is the best answer from that POV.

Liam points out that there has been a fair amount of discussion
of this topic on xml-dev where others have mentioned XLink and
the commenter is not happy about that (apparently, he doesn't
want to have to declare the xlink namespace), but Paul figures
we should still respond to the xml-editor comment.

Paul drafted a response that he has sent to
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012May/0002
and on which he requests WG comments.


>
> xml-stylesheet and HTML5
> ------------------------
> Henry took an action to file a bug about xml-stylesheet
> handling.  Done:
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14689
>
> Henry has done a lot more testing and filing of results to date.
>
> ACTION to Henry: File a bug against the HTML5 spec saying that
> it should support styling XML with CSS.
>
> The CSS2 spec says something about styling XML with CSS.
> Henry also notes http://www.w3.org/Style/styling-XML.en.html.
>
> Henry's tests are at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2011/11/ssTests/
> You need to look at the README and README2 files there.
>
>
> issues with the Polyglot draft
> ------------------------------
> Henry sent email with various potential issues at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Nov/0037
>
> Polyglot draft: BOM
> -------------------
> We discussed the point about the spec recommending [P1] the use of the 
> UTF-8 BOM.
>
> [P1] http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-xhtml-author-guide/#character-encoding
>
> Henry thinks we converged on this in email on Wednesday 11 January:
> See
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Jan/0007
>
> Henry: I think we should file an issue against Polyglot about the BOM.
>
> ACTION: Henry to file an issue against Polyglot about the BOM.

Done; see
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012May/0000


Glenn does wonder, though, about the comment that the BOM
is rarely used, as he points out that certain programs do
in fact write the BOM for UTF-8.  He might send email to
the WG about this.

>
> Polyglot draft: xml:space and xml:base
> --------------------------------------
> See the minutes at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Jan/0016
> for the discussion.
>
> ACTION: Henry to draft an issue regarding xml:space and xml:base in
>         the Polyglot draft for WG review.
>
>

Henry filed two issues, one against polyglot, and one against HTML5.
See
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012May/0001


> 3.  XML Test Suite.
>
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite
>
> ACTION to Henry:  Construct a test case for the XML test suite
> issues raised by Frans Englich:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-testsuite/2007Mar/
>
>
> 4.  LEIRIs--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri
>
> We have planned to issue the following spec editions referencing
> LEIRIs (and any outstanding errata):
>
> * XML 1.0 6th Edition (John to be editor)
> * XML 1.1 3rd Edition (John to be editor)
> * XInclude 3rd Edition (Paul to be editor)
>
> but all this is on hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis.
>
>
> 5.  XInclude 1.1--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude
>
> On 2012 February 14, we published
> XInclude 1.1 Requirement and Use Cases
> http://www.w3.org/TR/xinclude-11-requirements/
> summarizing the requirements and use cases for possible
> enhancements to XInclude addressing the issues:
>
> * @xpointer when parse="text"
> * copying attributes from the xinclude element to the root
>   included element
>
> Before producing an XInclude 1.1, we will need an amended
> charter as indicated by Ian at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Dec/0014
>
> We did get mostly positive feedback from Chris Lilley at:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-xinclude-comments/2012Feb/0000 
>
>
> Norm has posted something to the DocBook TC:
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/201202/msg00001.html
>
> Norm nudged the DocBook mailing list again
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/201204/msg00000.html
> and did publish this a few weeks ago:
> http://norman.walsh.name/2012/02/20/xinclude11
>
> Jirka gave some more feedback at
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/201204/msg00002.html
> and also included it at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Apr/0002
>
> Daniel raised a concern about there possibly not being a root
> included element at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Apr/0010
> and Jirka responded at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Apr/0011
> We will need to consider this issue when we draft the spec.
>
> ACTION to Liam:  Investigate what it takes to modify our charter
> to allow us to work on an XInclude 1.1 Recommendation.
>

An updated charter is in the process of an internal W3M
review, and then it would need to be reviewed by the AC.
We don't expect any pushback, but in practice it will
probably take a couple months before we really have a
new charter.

Meanwhile we could work on an XInclude 1.1 draft, but
we couldn't publish it until we have our new charter.


>
> 6.  XML Model
>
> Jirka reminded us that ISO published XML Model as an international
> standard.  One can buy it at
> http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=54793 
>
>
> He said that the process is in order to try to allow the ISO version
> to be published for free.
>
> We will wait to see if it becomes freely available and then update
> our note to reference it.
>
> ACTION to Jirka:  Check with the ISO working group about the
> status of making the ISO version free.
>

Jirka reported (in email prior to the call) that the ISO process
for doing this is a bit involved.  WG1 has to recommend to SC34
that the spec be made public.  This should happen at a June 2012
meeting.  Then there is a 60 day ballot in SC34, then there is a
60 day ballot at the JTC1 level.  If all goes well, ISO/IEC 19757-11
could be published at the ITTF page in late 2012.

So it doesn't look like we'd be updating our XML Model WG Note
before 2013.


>
> paul
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
> [2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
> [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Mar/0008
>

Actually, previous meeting's minutes are at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Apr/0004