Minutes for XML Core WG telcon of 2012 March 21

Attendees
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Glenn
Norm
Paul
Henry
Liam

[5 organizations (5 with proxies) present out of 9]

Regrets
-------
Daniel, proxy to the chair
Jirka



Absent organizations
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Innovimax
John Cowan
Jirka Kosek (with regrets)
Daniel Veillard (with regrets, proxy to the chair)


Our next telcon will be April 4.

Regrets from Henry, possible regrets from Norm.



> 1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
>   the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
>   or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).
>

Accepted.

>
> 2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.

There will be a TPAC meeting in Lyon, France in October/November:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Mar/0006

We should consider whether we want to have a WG f2f there.


>
> xml-stylesheet and HTML5
> ------------------------
> Henry took an action to file a bug about xml-stylesheet
> handling.  Done:
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14689
>
> Henry has done a lot more testing and filing of results to date.
>
> ACTION to Henry: File a bug against the HTML5 spec saying that
> it should support styling XML with CSS.

ACTION to Henry continued.


>
> The CSS2 spec says something about styling XML with CSS.
> Henry also notes http://www.w3.org/Style/styling-XML.en.html.
>
> Henry's tests are at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2011/11/ssTests/
> You need to look at the README and README2 files there.
>
>
> issues with the Polyglot draft
> ------------------------------
> Henry sent email with various potential issues at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Nov/0037
>
> Polyglot draft: BOM
> -------------------
> We discussed the point about the spec recommending [P1] the use of the 
> UTF-8 BOM.
>
> [P1] http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-xhtml-author-guide/#character-encoding
>
> Henry thinks we converged on this in email on Wednesday 11 January:
> See
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Jan/0007
>
> Henry: I think we should file an issue against Polyglot about the BOM.
>
> ACTION: Henry to file an issue against Polyglot about the BOM.


ACTION to Henry continued.


>
> Polyglot draft: xml:space and xml:base
> --------------------------------------
> See the minutes at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Jan/0016
> for the discussion.
>
> ACTION: Henry to draft an issue regarding xml:space and xml:base in
>         the Polyglot draft for WG review.


ACTION to Henry continued.


>
>
> 3.  XML Test Suite.
>
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite
>
> ACTION to Henry:  Construct a test case for the XML test suite
> issues raised by Frans Englich:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-testsuite/2007Mar/
>

ACTION to Henry continued.

>
> 4.  LEIRIs--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri
>
> We have planned to issue the following spec editions referencing
> LEIRIs (and any outstanding errata):
>
> * XML 1.0 6th Edition (John to be editor)
> * XML 1.1 3rd Edition (John to be editor)
> * XInclude 3rd Edition (Paul to be editor)
>
> but all this is on hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis.
>
>
> 5.  XInclude 1.1--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude
>
> On 2012 February 14, we published
> XInclude 1.1 Requirement and Use Cases
> http://www.w3.org/TR/xinclude-11-requirements/
> summarizing the requirements and use cases for possible
> enhancements to XInclude addressing the issues:
>
> * @xpointer when parse="text"
> * copying attributes from the xinclude element to the root
>  included element
>
> Before producing an XInclude 1.1, we will need an amended
> charter as indicated by Ian at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Dec/0014
>
> We should wait to see what if any feedback we get from the
> published requirements and use cases and then, if we want
> to go ahead with an XInclude 1.1, we should look into amending
> our charter.
>
> We did get mostly positive feedback from Chris Lilley at:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-xinclude-comments/2012Feb/0000 
>
>
> Norm has posted something to the DocBook TC:
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/201202/msg00001.html
> and at
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/201202/msg00002.html
> was a follow up posting that (I believe) requested that we also
> augment XInclude to allow for including the *contents* of all
> the elements addressed by the xpointer attribute, but not the
> elements themselves.

Paul had sent email about this at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Mar/0004
and we discussed it a bit on the call.

Henry pointed out
that he and Richard had implemented something like what
Paul was suggesting, so he thought it might be useful.

Norm pointed out the potential problems and didn't think we
should try to add this to XInclude.

We ended up deciding just to recommend the use of the xpath()
scheme and not add something here to XInclude.


>
> ACTION to Norm:  Continue to publicize the XInclude 1.1
> Requirement and Use Cases WG Note to potentially interested
> parties and see if you can drum up any feedback.
>


ACTION to Norm continued.



>
> 6.  XML Model
>
> Jirka reminded us that ISO published XML Model as an international
> standard.  One can buy it at
> http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=54793 
>
>
> He said that the process is in order to try to allow the ISO version
> to be published for free.
>
> We will wait to see if it becomes freely available and then update
> our note to reference it.
>
> ACTION to Jirka:  Check with the ISO working group about the
> status of making the ISO version free.


ACTION to Jirka continued.



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> paul
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
> [2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
> [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Feb/0002
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