Agenda for XML Core WG telcon of 2012 July 25

We have an XML Core WG phone call scheduled for Wednesday,
July 25, from
          08:30-09:00 Pacific time aka
          11:30-12:00 Eastern time aka
          15:30-16:00 UTC
          16:30-17:00 in Ireland and the UK
          17:30-18:00 in middle (most of) Europe
on the Zakim W3C Bridge, +1 617 761 6200, passcode 9652#.
We also use IRC channel #xmlcore on irc.w3.org:6665 .

See the XML Core group page [1] for pointers to current documents
and other information.  If you have additions to the agenda, please
email them to the WG list before the start of the telcon.

Please also review our group page's task list [2] for accuracy and
completeness and be prepared to amend if necessary and accept it
at the beginning of the call.


Henry gives regrets.

We will cancel the telcon of August 8 [for which Henry and Paul
must give regrets and Norm gives probably regrets], so the next
telcon after this week's one will be August 22.


Agenda
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1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
   the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
   or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).


2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.

XML Core WG Charter
-------------------
The amended XML Core WG charter that allows us to work on
XInclude 1.1 was out for AC review.

ACTION to Liam:  Give an update on the XML Core WG charter update.


Fall TPAC
---------
There will be a TPAC meeting in Lyon, France in October/November:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Mar/0006

We have signed up to have a WG f2f there.

Likely to attend:  Norm, Liam, Henry, Jirka, Mohamed
Not likely to attend:  Glenn, Paul, John, Daniel


xml-stylesheet and HTML5
------------------------
Henry took an action to file a bug about xml-stylesheet
handling.  Done:
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14689

Henry has done a lot more testing and filing of results to date.
Henry's tests are at
http://www.w3.org/XML/2011/11/ssTests/
You need to look at the README and README2 files there.

The CSS2 spec says something about styling XML with CSS.
Henry also notes http://www.w3.org/Style/styling-XML.en.html.

ACTION to Henry: File a bug against the HTML5 spec saying that
it should support styling XML with CSS.

   or

ACTION to Henry: Confirm that some combination of:
[Bug 17976] New: xml-stylesheet with type=text/xsl needs to be handled 
explicitly
and/or
[Bug 14689] xml-stylesheet with type=text/xsl needs to be handled explicitly
complete this action.


issues with the Polyglot draft
------------------------------
Is there anything left to track here, or can we remove these issues
from our ongoing minutes?

* Polyglot draft: BOM

* Polyglot draft: xml:space and xml:base


3.  XML Test Suite.

See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite

ACTION to Henry:  Construct a test case for the XML test suite
issues raised by Frans Englich:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-testsuite/2007Mar/


4.  LEIRIs--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri

We have planned to issue the following spec editions referencing
LEIRIs (and any outstanding errata):

* XML 1.0 6th Edition (John to be editor)
* XML 1.1 3rd Edition (John to be editor)
* XInclude 3rd Edition (Paul to be editor)

but all this is on hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis.


5.  XInclude 1.1--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude

On 2012 February 14, we published
XInclude 1.1 Requirement and Use Cases
http://www.w3.org/TR/xinclude-11-requirements/

We have started discussions at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Jun/thread#msg6

So far, we have provisional consensus as follows:

* To add a fragid attribute.

* Some wanted to deprecate xpointer, others didn't, though in either
   case it's less a technical issue than "political".

* If both xpointer and fragid are specified, they should be identical.
   If not, some wanted to make this some kind of error, but not fatal
   and not something that triggered fallback.  Others didn't feel it
   needed to be an error, but again, that's less a technical issue than
   "political".

   If both xpointer and fragid are specified, when parse=xml, the value
   of xpointer should be used; if parse is not xml, the value of fragid
   should be used.

*  We decided to change @parse to allow other values (besides xml and text).
    The effects of other values are implementation dependent, and 
unrecogized
    values are a "recoverable error" which causes fallback.

*  In XInclude 1.0, we define "resource errors" which cause fallback.  Now
    that we have something other than a resource error that we want to cause
    fallback, we are going to change the terminology throughout the spec for
    errors that cause fallback (resource error -> recoverable error).


Regarding what attributes get copied and how, we appear to lean
toward copying only namespace qualified attributes. Regarding multiple
rootedness, we had consensus to do all attribute copying to all top-level
elements in the inclusion and let the application deal with multiple
identical xml:id's.

Regarding attribute conflicts, we had consensus that the xinclude value
should win.

What we're trying to do with XInclude here is just to allow enough
information to be passed through to allow the application to do
whatever fixup it feels it needs to do.

Norm (as editor) will explain in the draft how what we are trying
to do here with XInclude is to leave enough evidence in the post-included
document to allow subsequent processing to be able to do whatever it wants.

Henry says we could define a namespace that says copy me
without any namespace.  But he decided not to propose that
seriously now.

ACTION to Norm (as editor):  Create a first draft XInclude 1.1.


6.  XML Model

Jirka reminded us that ISO published XML Model as an international
standard.  One can buy it at
http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=54793 


He said that the process is in order to try to allow the ISO version
to be published for free.

We will wait to see if it becomes freely available and then update
our note to reference it.

Jirka reported that the ISO process for making the ISO version
free is a bit involved.  WG1 has to recommend to SC34 that the
spec be made public.  This should happen at a June 2012 meeting.
Then there is a 60 day ballot in SC34, then there is a 60 day
ballot at the JTC1 level.  If all goes well, ISO/IEC 19757-11
could be published at the ITTF page in late 2012.

So it doesn't look like we'd be updating our XML Model WG Note
before 2013.


paul

[1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
[2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
[3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Jun/0014