Minutes for XML Core WG telcon of 2008 September 24

Attendees
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 Konrad  xx:14
 John  xx:25
 Glenn
 Norm
 Paul 
 Richard
 Daniel  xx:21

[7 organizations (8 with proxies) present out of 9]

Regrets
------- 
Henry (proxy to Richard)

Absent organizations
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W3C (with regrets, proxy to Richard)
François Yergeau


> 
> Agenda
> ======
> 1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
>    the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
>    or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).
> 

Accepted

> 
> 2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.
> 
> October Technical Plenary
> -------------------------
> The next Technical Plenary is scheduled for October in Cannes:
> http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/Overview.html
> 
> The XML Core WG will not be holding a f2f at TPAC.
> 
> ---
> 
> The Efficient XML Interchange Working Group announces 
> the Last Call publication of 
> Efficient XML Interchange Format 1.0 
> on Sept 19th.  The document is available at:
> 
>  http://www.w3.org/TR/exi/ 
> 
> The Last Call review period ends on 7th November 2008.
> 

John's last review is at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2007Oct/0025

Change since previous publications are outlined at
http://www.w3.org/TR/exi/#changes

ACTION to John:  Review this and give us any comments.

---

Paul has been charged with writing a new WG charter (starting
January 2009).  He planned to just continue with maintaining
our existing specs.  Konrad argued that we should add something,
in particular to allow undeclaring namespace names, but there
wasn't consensus as to what we could/should add; most of us
were quite hesitant to dive into XML 2.0 or whatever.

> 
> 3.  XML 1.0
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-errata
> 
> The XML 1.0 5th Edition PER has been published at
>  http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/PER-xml-20080205/
> 
> The PER period ended 16 May 2008. 
> 
> A preliminary implementation report is at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2008/01/xml10-5e-implementation
> 
> Henry sent a status summary email at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2008Sep/0011
> 
> Henry has started a DoC at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2008/09/xml-5e/disposition.html
> 
> ACTION to Henry:  Send email to Francois asking his opinion
> on the Unicode issues raised in AC comments outlined in
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2008Sep/0011
> 
> ACTION to Henry:  Take charge of adding a sentence to the
> para in the SoTD addressing issue ac-2 and issue vanderVlist-1.
> 
> ACTION to Henry:  Add rationales to the XML 1.0 Errata document
> (addressing issue kesselman-1).
> 
> ACTION to Henry:  Draft a response to all the process complaints.

ACTIONs to Henry continued.

Once we get a finalized DoC, I believe we will be ready to
ask Henry to take XML 1.0 5th Ed to Rec.

> 
> 
> 4.  XML Test Suite.
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite
> 
> Henry/Richard discussed some test suite issues raised by 
> Frans Englich:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-testsuite/2007Mar/ 
> 
> ACTION to Richard:  Construct a test case for the XML test suite 
> issues raised by Frans Englich:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-testsuite/2007Mar/ 
> 

ACTION to Richard continued.

> 
> 5.  Namespaces in XML 1.0/1.1
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#ns1.0 and
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#ns1.1.
> 
> Richard has partially updated the NS PE doc at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2001/05/proposed-xml-names-errata.html
> 
> ACTION to Richard:  Fill in a proposed resolution for NPE29.

Richard added some discussion at
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2001/05/proposed-xml-names-errata.html#npe29
The WG agreed with his direction and asked that he go forward with it.

ACTION to Richard:  Fill in a proposed resolution for NPE29.

> 
> We need to consider what to do about allowing IRIs (or LEIRIs?)
> as namespace names in NS 1.0 and what to do about undeclaring
> namespace prefix bindings in NS 1.0.

The W3C staff has said that we could not do undeclaring via
an erratum.

We have decided not to try to add undeclaring the NS 1.0 at
this time, though Konrad was disappointed.

> 
> John sent email asking the I18N Core how they feel about
> changing NS1.0 to allow IRIs (instead of just URIs) for
> namespace names:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2008JulSep/0049
> and there was some email discussion--see
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2008JulSep/thread.html#msg49
> 

ACTION to Richard:  Add an NPE changing URIs to IRIs in NS 1.0.

> 
> 6.  LEIRIs
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri
> 
> A summary of what specs need to be revised to reference LEIRIs is at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2007Dec/0045
> 
> Martin's has made a new latest version available at 
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-duerst-iri-bis-04
> 
> Martin has asked us to review it and supply tests; see:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2008Aug/0002
> 
> Addison Phillips of I18N Core recommends we consider publishing 
> LEIRIs as a WG Note; see
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2008Aug/0004
> 
> The WG now plans to publish a WG Note defining LEIRIs, 
> and Henry has volunteered to be the editor.
> 

I think the progression of XML Base, XLink, and XInclude
(and XML 1.0 6th Ed) all must await this note.

Henry posted a draft of a WG Note defining LEIRIs at
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2008/09/NOTE-leiri-20080926/

Henry, it appears you referenced/started with
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-duerst-iri-bis-03
instead of
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-duerst-iri-bis-04
See also
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2008Aug/0001
where Martin made some of our requested changes including:

1.  Include the term "LEIRI" since that is how we refer to
    these things in most of our specs.

2.  Also define "LEIRI reference" since that, in fact, is
    what we are really using most of the time.

Also, in the WG Note draft, it looks more like the grammar
is defining IRIs instead of LEIRIs.  Since the change (ucschar)
is at the bottom of the grammar, I'm not sure how to fix this,
but we should do something to make it clearer.

> 
> 7.  XML Base 2nd Edition 2nd PER
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-base
> 
> The (second) XML Base (Second Edition) PER has been published at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/PER-xmlbase-20080320/
> and announced at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2008JanMar/0112
> 
> The XML Base PER review period ended 30 June 2008.
> 
> Richard developed an initial draft DoC document for XML Base at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2008/09/xmlbase-2e/disposition.html
> 
> ACTION to Paul and Richard:  Work at getting the DoC finalized.

Paul sent out email to all commentors giving them until 
this past Monday to reply if they objected to our resolution,
and there have been no objections.

ACTION to Richard:  Update the DoC pointing to our response to
the commentor and their acceptance, if any.  See also
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2008Sep/0015
for more suggestions on how to present the DoC.

> 
> Eventual ACTION to Henry:  Take XML Base 2nd Ed to Rec.

Once Richard has finalized the DoC, we should be ready to
go to Rec except for the need to have a referenceable
definition of LEIRI, so I think this has to be on hold
until we get the LEIRI note.

> 
> 
> 8.  XLink 1.1.
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xlink1.1
> 
> The earlier XLink CR was published at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/CR-xlink11-20060328/ 
> 
> The XLink 1.1 LC was published at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-xlink11-20080331/
> 
> The LC review period ended 16 May 2008.
> 
> Norm has prepared a DoC at 
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2008/05/xlinklc/
> 
> ACTION to Henry:  Continue to get the XSD for
> XLink at an accessible URI.

ACTION to Henry continued.

> 
> There's an open question about whether the XSD/DTD 
> should default the xlink:type attribute value. 
> None of this effects our last call because the
> XSD/DTD are not normative.
> 
> John asked whether we should have two schemas, one for
> each of our conformance levels.
> 
> ACTION to Henry, John:  Think about having a basic level
> conformance XSD for XLink.

ACTION to Henry and John continued.

> 
> Paul asks us to consider skipping CR and going directly to PR.
> 
> ACTION to Henry:  Review the history and make a recommendation
> as to whether we should skip CR and go directly to PR.

ACTION to Henry continued.

> 
> 9.  XInclude 3rd Edition
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude
> 
> XInclude 2nd Edition is at:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xinclude-20061115
> 
> See http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude for
> LEIRI-related changes for the 3rd Edition.
> 
> ACTION to Daniel: Produce a PER-ready draft of XInclude 3rd Ed
> with appropriate references to the IRI RFC for LEIRIs.
> 
> 
> [1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
> [2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
> [3] 
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2008Sep/0016
>

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