Re: Minutes for XML Core WG telcon of 2008 July 16

Hi Norm,

please accept my late regrets.
I'm at the XMLSec WG F2F in Barcelona and forgot to dial in.

Konrad

Norman Walsh schrieb:
> | We had an XML Core WG phone call on Wednesday, July 16
>
> Present: Norm, Henry, Daniel, Glenn
> Regrets: Paul
>
> | Agenda
> | ======
> | 1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
> |    the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
> |    or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).
>
> Accepted.
>
> | 2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.
> |
> | October Technical Plenary
> | -------------------------
> | The next Technical Plenary is scheduled for October in Cannes:
> | http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/Overview.html
> | We have tentatively decided to meet there.
> |
> | The schedule is at: http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/Schedule.html
> | XML Core meets Monday and Tuesday.
> |
> | Registration for the October TPAC2008: Combined Technical 
> | Plenary and Advisory Committee Meeting is now open at 
> | http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2008/. 
> | Registration will close on 28 September, but the discount 
> | rate for hotel rooms will expire as of 8 September 2008.
> |
> | Probable attendees:  Henry, Norm, Richard
> | Quite unlikely:  Glenn, Francois
> | Uncertain:  Konrad (but unlikely), John, Daniel, Paul
>
> Norm is considering not going to the Plenary.
>
> | 3.  C14N 1.1
> |
> | See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#c14n1.1
> |
> | The C14N 1.1 Recommendation has been published at
> | http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-xml-c14n11-20080502/
>
> Nothing new to report.
>
> | 4.  XML 1.0
> |
> | See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-errata
> |
> | The XML 1.0 5th Edition PER has been published at
> |  http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/PER-xml-20080205/
> |
> | The PER period ended 16 May 2008. 
> |
> | We need to have at least three implementations that 
> | pass the test suite for each of the errata that have 
> | been newly applied to the 5th Edition. 
> |
> | A preliminary implementation report is at
> | http://www.w3.org/XML/2008/01/xml10-5e-implementation
> |
> | ACTION to Richard, Henry:  Add a test to the XML 1.0 5th Ed 
> | Test Suite about version=1.7 documents.
> |
> | A preliminary implementation report is at
> | http://www.w3.org/XML/2008/01/xml10-5e-implementation
> |
> | ACTION to DV:  Give update on status for implementing 
> | XML 1.0 5th Edition.
>
> Daniel is still trying to find the time.
>
> | ACTION to Glenn:  Check with Apache folks on status of
> | implementing XML 1.0 5th Edition.
>
> Glenn reports that there are any requests coming through the Apache
> hierarchy for support. So they're waiting to see if someone is going
> to place that requirement on Xerces.
>
> Henry will poke around in the I18N community looking for someone to
> place that requirement.
>
> Norm wonders about the future, but I guess we won't get to to REC
> before we have implementations, so maybe the risk (aside from the
> delay) is low.
>
> Glenn wonders if there are other potential implementations. It would
> be nice to have a major vendor parser. Maybe Woodstox?
>
> Henry notes that the other obvious possibility is a declared opponent.
> Elliotte Rusty Harold is known to be opposed.
>
> | 5.  XML 1.1
> |
> | See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml1.1
> |
> | XML 1.1 2nd Edition published 2006 August 16:
> |
> |  Extensible Markup Language (XML) 1.1 (Second Edition)
> |  http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xml11-20060816
>
> Nothing to report.
>
> | 6.  XML Test Suite.
> |
> | See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite
> |
> | Henry/Richard discussed some test suite issues raised by Frans Englich:
> | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-testsuite/2007Mar/ 
> |
> | ACTION to Richard:  Construct a test case for the XML test suite 
> | issues raised by Frans Englich:
> | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-testsuite/2007Mar/ 
>
> Nothing to report.
>
> | 7.  Namespaces in XML 1.0/1.1
> |
> | See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#ns1.0 and
> | http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#ns1.1.
> |
> | 2nd Editions published 2006 August 16:
> |
> |  Namespaces in XML 1.0 (Second Edition)
> |  http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xml-names-20060816
> |
> |  Namespaces in XML 1.1 (Second Edition)
> |  http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xml-names11-20060816
> |
> | Richard has partially updated the NS PE doc at
> | http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2001/05/proposed-xml-names-errata.html
> |
> | ACTION to Richard:  Fill in proposed resolutions for NPE27-30.
>
> Nothing to report.
>
> | 8.  LEIRIs
> |
> | See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri
> |
> | Paul's summary of what comes next spec-by-spec is at
> | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2007Dec/0045
> |
> | Martin's latest IRI draft (defining LEIRIs in section 7) has
> | expired; a copy is at 
> | http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-duerst-iri-bis-02
> |
> | A summary of what specs need to be revised to reference LEIRIs is at
> | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2007Dec/0045
> |
> | ACTION to Henry:  Do some pinging about the schedule of IRI bis
> | pointing out that having the IRI-bis draft expired is a serious 
> | problem for us.
>
> Henry reports that there is a visible RFC draft again. It's on the
> agenda for I18N core to discuss as a matter of business. That's the
> best we can do at this point:
>
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2008JulSep/0000.html
>
> | 9.  XML Base 2nd Edition 2nd PER
> |
> | See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-base
> |
> | The (second) XML Base (Second Edition) PER has been published at
> | http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/PER-xmlbase-20080320/
> | and announced at
> | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2008JanMar/0112
> |
> | The XML Base PER review period ended 30 June 2008.
> |
> | We have some comments in the comments list:
> | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2008AprJun/
> | 0003
> | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2008AprJun/
> | 0011
> | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2008AprJun/
> | 0012
> |
> | We discussed the XHTML WG comment at
> | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2008AprJun/
> | 0011
> | a bit.
> |
> | The IRI-bis does allow x00-1F in LEIRIs, but such LEIRIs cannot
> | be expressed in an XML document.  The set of LEIRIs that can be
> | expressed in an XML document is identical to what was always
> | allowed in XML documents.  See, for example:
> | http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlbase/#escaping
> | in XML Base 1.0.  What we have in XML Base 1.1 is identical to
> | what we allow in XML Base 1.0.
> |
> | ACTION to Norm: Respond to 
> | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2008AprJun/
> | 0011
> | explaining ourselves and suggesting the additional of a
> | clarificatory sentence.
>
> Norm did reply: 
>
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2008JulSep/0000.html
>
> Nothing has come back from Steven so far.
>
> ACTION: Richard to make the improvements we agreed to make to XML Base, namely
> clarify the meaning of C0 controls and possibly add an example that uses an IRI.
>
> | ACTION to Richard:  Review and suggest a response to
> | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2008AprJun/
> | 0003
> | and develop a DoC document.
> |
> | 10.  XLink 1.1.
> |
> | See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xlink1.1
> |
> | The earlier XLink CR was published at
> | http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/CR-xlink11-20060328/ 
> |
> | The XLink 1.1 LC was published at
> | http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-xlink11-20080331/
> | and announced at
> | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2008Apr/0006
> |
> | The LC review period ended 16 May 2008.
> |
> | Norm has prepared a DoC at 
> | http://www.w3.org/XML/2008/05/xlinklc/
> |
> | ACTION to Henry:  Continue to get the XSD for
> | XLink at an accessible URI.
>
> Henry has made some progress, but needs more work.
>
> There's an open question about whether the XSD/DTD should default the
> xlink:type attribute value. None of this effects our last call because
> they're not normative.
>
> The discussion is now in email on the Core WG list.
>
> | John asked whether we should have two schemas, one for
> | each of our conformance levels.
> |
> | ACTION to Henry, John:  Think about having a basic level
> | conformance XSD for XLink.
> |
> | Paul asks us to consider skipping CR and going directly to PR.
> |
> | ACTION to Henry:  Review the history and make a recommendation
> | as to whether we should skip CR and go directly to PR.
> |
> | Henry raised a question about the sample schemas at
> | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2008Jul/0005
>
> Actions continue.
>
> | 11.  XInclude 3rd Edition
> |
> | See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude
> |
> | XInclude 2nd Edition is at:
> | http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xinclude-20061115
> |
> | See http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude for
> | LEIRI-related changes for the 3rd Edition.
> |
> | ACTION to Daniel: Produce a PER-ready draft of XInclude 3rd Ed
> | with appropriate references to the IRI RFC for LEIRIs.
>
> Action continues, Daniel will try to get it finished soon.
>
> | [1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
> | [2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
> | [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2008Jul/0001
>
> 12. Any other business?
>
> None heard.
> Adjourned.
>                                         Be seeing you,
>                                           norm
>
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