- From: Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net>
- Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 19:45:45 +0100
- To: Saint-Andre Peter <stpeter@stpeter.im>, Halpin Harry <hhalpin@w3.org>
- Cc: Jeff Sayre <jeff@sayremedia.com>, "public-xg-webid@w3.org XG" <public-xg-webid@w3.org>
On 7 Dec 2011, at 19:38, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > Interesting stuff, but perhaps slightly off-topic here. :) Is there a > www-philosophy list set up at w3.org or elsewhere? We should create one. I'll ask Harry if there is one yet. But if there were one, then I would have sent it there and CCed this list :-) > > On 12/6/11 4:23 PM, Henry Story wrote: >> >> On 7 Dec 2011, at 00:11, Jeff Sayre wrote: >> >>> I cannot determine if Spinoza envisioned a Web of Linked Data, but your >>> email made me think of this thought piece on how Socrates would view the >>> Web. >>> >>> http://bigthink.com/ideas/39407 >> >> yes, French Philosopher Bernard Stiegler has spent the last year in his online course >> >> http://pharmakon.fr/wordpress/ >> >> going over Plato's work, and showing in detail the relationship between Socrates and Plato. >> Greek civilisation at the time was in situation of crisis, having slowly moved over 200 years >> from an oral to a fully written tradition which gave rise to the democracy of Athens. >> Bernard Stiegler will be speaking at the WWW Conference in Lyon http://www2012.wwwconference.org/ >> So Socrates never wrote anything, but Plato did, and he wrote in this writing about someone who >> was always searching not for answers but to push questions back further. Plato then became in the >> Republic an absolutist of ideas. >> >> It is these ideas that Spinoza started undoing in his Ethics as I understand it. The idea of thoughts >> as abstract objects that are independent of other things coming from Plato is replaced by Spinoza >> by the fundamentally relational nature of things. >> >> But was far as we are concerned in Spinoza's world we are composed of relations and are enmeshed in relations. >> Our identity emerges from this meshing. The Platonist view would be a much more object oriented view on >> could say or perhaps even the beginning of an Ideal view, with Classes existing first, and objects >> second. In Spinoza's view it seems, relations are primary. One could say that the web is a confirmation or >> application of this philosophy. >> >> Henry >> >>> >>>> Is Spinoza the grandfather of the Semantic Web? >>>> >>>> Here is a short presentation by Philosopher Rocco Gangle: "Spinoza, >>>> Language, and Relational Identity" >>>> >>>> http://vimeo.com/9581201 >>>> >>>> "Spinoza's philosophy shows how relationality and, in particular, the >>>> human capacity for language provides a model of human personhood in which >>>> individual subjectivity and identity exist only through mutually affective >>>> relations with the world and with others. Spinoza's Ethics offers definite >>>> ways to conceive and to implement interdisciplinary possibilities, >>>> particularly by applying the relational conception of personal identity >>>> more generally to the identities of collectivities and traditions. In this >>>> way, the concept of relational personhood opens out onto a more general >>>> framework for rethinking the constructive relationality of groups, >>>> traditions, disciplines and ways of life." >>>> >>>> On the W3C WebID Incubator Group we have come across exactly this feature >>>> of identity. Your identity is how you are related to other people or >>>> things. Thinking this way leads one down paths were many problems suddenly >>>> just disappear that seemed insurmountable when thinking of things >>>> atomistically. >>>> >>>> See http://webid.info/spec . >>>> >>>> Henry >>>> >>>> Social Web Architect >>>> http://bblfish.net/ >>>> >>>> Social Web Architect http://bblfish.net/
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