- From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
- Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 13:08:56 -0400
- To: public-xg-webid@w3.org
On 4/20/11 11:33 AM, peter williams wrote: > Remember, any decent product manager who has competed in the https space > (now 15 year old) already knows 80% of the current paper. Honest. Reduce 80% > of the current material to 1 page, distinguishing in 1 more page the > remaining 20% "as a twist on existing techniques for validating cert > messages in SSL handshakes". Imply in that page - by contrast with such as > the case of PGP certs in GNUTLS https implementation - that there REALLY IS > a world of https beyond the X.509 format (and PKIs consisting of CRLS, and > OCSP, and trust anchors). This world is facilitated by the richness of the > query-powered semantic web, and its ability to express relations. It can > chain, better than cert chains (and STS chains, and websso bridges). Just > look at foaf cards, which are better than the identity pages of openid... > because they can be properly queried.... > > BY talking about a contrast with PGP and then STS and websso... one shows > one is familiar with the OTHER art in the space, since all those communities > are pressing on the browsers, too. Its show refinement. It argues for the > big picture - chaining and relationships... the nirvana of trust chaining. > > That's 2 pages. Max. Take the hint: No-one needs a lecture on the obvious, > that everyone already does with different method(s). Remember, we have > competition, pitching for the same space. > > In the next 3 pages, show the changes that enable - the delta from now to > then. What stops take off of webid, and what 5 features would make 10,000 > independent software vendors excited? Strangely, pick 3 that also benefit > the STS and websso crowd. Remember, it's a political world, and you need to > coopt your competition (especially given the munge process, described > below). > > The 5 CAN be express a dual-use benefit - in that the 5 also "just happen" > to be enablers for the semantic web. But, they must not look like a foil. > Play this carefully, as of all the semweb projects ill guess that webid is > JUST about allowed to present a semweb-themed double benefit enabler list - > because our pragmatism reputation is such that we are already trusted NOT to > be bible bashers on the underlying religion or the cult of personality (that > just turns off many in the community). Remember, the paper is as much about > tone, as content - especially to the reviewers who will only scan-read it - > picking who can be trusted not to abuse the opportunity (by bleating on and > on about their favorite cult). > > If were choosing, Id be arguing around the inoffensive topic of the foaf > card (that happens to bring along the semweb with it). Why not structured profile document where foaf card in an example? To many FOAF == RDF == Semweb. Thus, cleaner abstraction will provide more protection against knee jerk reactions. > Id love for all > browsers to take the wallet feature they already have (that takes user > profile info), and a uri of form javascript:aboutme in the address bar > auto-renders those properties in a window as an HTML/RDFa stream - ready for > cut and paste. It can already include a cert IN THE cert ONTOLOGY, using the > "default" cert in the browser cert store. Something VERY simply, that > "facilitates"... and which can be obviously improved later when websites get > involved, as the economy boots. Anything that showcases "cut & paste" remains powerful re. Web oriented bootstrap pursuits. > Its tempting to treat the paper as an exam, to get to the conference and > speak in corridors (and one's 20m) on content OTHER than that in the paper. > Ive seen that done many times. But remember, the final method is to take > the 5 points FROM THE PAPER for the top half of contributions (as examined > orally, in 20m), and do a union. This union munge will be what all browser > vendors do. If webid gets 2 out of its 5 enablers on that list, that would > be a miracle. But, THIS IS YOUR GOAL - have 2 (of 5 suggestions) actually go > global. > > Now, what would I do with my magic wand, if I had one, and its two wishes? > (or magic lamp, perhaps) Find a way to show the finished Cake as early as possible. Then let audience drive the drill-down to details associated with ingredients and baking process :-) Kingsley > > > > Be known in the paper > > > -----Original Message----- > From: public-xg-webid-request@w3.org [mailto:public-xg-webid-request@w3.org] > On Behalf Of Henry Story > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 6:57 AM > To: Harry Halpin > Cc: public-xg-webid@w3.org > Subject: Re: Position Paper for W3C Workshop on Identity > > > On 20 Apr 2011, at 15:48, Harry Halpin wrote: > >> +1. All of these seem like fairly sensible low-hanging fruit that(I hope!) > browser vendors would be interested in. So if the position paper could talk > about WebID, and then have something around this last as *action items*, > then >> The only issue may be standardizing UX across vendors, which is hard as of > course browser vendors compete re UX. But saying "something should happen" > (think "download buttons") is great, and then pointing how how terribly > unintuitive current cert handling UX is and how parts of it (i.e. the tab > handling) are just missing. >> If this was accompanied by screenshots across different browsers, I'd be > very, very happy. > > The paper can only be 5 pages long. Screenshots take a lot of place. We were > thinking of going into details in the presentation, where I hope we can get > a bit more time than 20 minutes. > > > >> cheers, >> harry >> > Social Web Architect > http://bblfish.net/ > > > > > -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen President& CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen
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