[URW3 public] Uncertainty discussion: philosophical or concentrate on Web specific and/or Web related issues

Dear colleagues,
                  I would like to ask you to focus (or emphasize) in our 
discussion on Web related and/or Web specific issues of uncertainty (or 
at least to point to it). Philosophical discussions are good, now we 
need contributions to our XG.
      Especially those connected with machine processable issues and 
(see our charter) those which help replace proprietary uncertainty web 
solutions with solutions based on standards are important.
      There are many problems with uncertainty which are hard even for 
humans and even on your personal computer. What is Semantic web 
relevant/specific - we have to convince W3C that uncertainty is a issue 
to be considered in future actions too.
      One way to this can be to consider uncertainty issues in  an 
integrated process (use case) from the Web to the user (agent, service).
      Maybe we can start even with one specific type - do not try the 
problems of the whole world, lets try to solve one.
      Peter

Kashyap, Vipul wrote:
> 
> I would propose that instead of cluttering people's e-mail, we should add our
> comments directly on the wiki page..
> 
> This will be the best way to exchange ideas. The biggest advantage being that if
> someone else has already said something similar, you can do +1 to it...
> 
> My point of disagreement with Mitch was the following:
> 
> I view Bayesian networks, Fuzzy Logic, Dempster Schaeffer, etc. as
> representation/reasoning tools on uncertain information.
> So the proposal was: let's have two classes in the ontology:
> - Uncertainty
> - Techniques for dealing with Uncertainty...
> 
> Mitch seemed to suggest that these things categorized different types of
> uncertainty, though in my mind, given a piece of uncertain information, I can
> use any of the above techniques (possibly inappropriately) to represent and
> reason with it.
> 
> ... Will post this on the wiki soon...
> 
> ---Vipul
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> Vipul Kashyap, Ph.D.
> Senior Medical Informatician
> Clinical Informatics R&D, Partners HealthCare System
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> ---John Browning and Spencer Reiss, Wired 6.04.95
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: gstoil@image.ece.ntua.gr [mailto:gstoil@image.ece.ntua.gr]
>>Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:17 AM
>>To: Kathryn Blackmond Laskey; Giorgos Stoilos; mkokar@ece.neu.edu;
>>Kashyap, Vipul
>>Cc: public-xg-urw3@w3.org
>>Subject: Re: Uncertainty Ontology
>>
>>
>>I know that. That's why I did not send this mail as a reply to Paulo's
>>one.
>>
>>I just remember some specific discussion, I think it was Vipul questioning
>>about something about the differences on the types of uncertainties,
>>taking
>>place during the telecon. I also remember someone saying: "...discuss over
>>mail with Vipul and then summarize to the group." I wanted to make sure if
>>I
>>lister correctly or there is going to be a public discussion over mail
>>about
>>this issue, cause I haven't seen any mail so far (beware that Paulo's mail
>>was
>>*not* about the specific issue but about the uncertainty ontology in
>>general).
>>
>>Greetings,
>>-gstoil
>>
>>Kathryn Blackmond Laskey <klaskey@gmu.edu> said:
>>
>>
>>>Paulo was referring to Mitch's preliminary draft ontology of
>>>uncertainty, which he posted to the Wiki:
>>>   http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/urw3/wiki/UncertaintyOntology
>>>
>>>At 11:05 AM +0300 6/15/07, Giorgos Stoilos wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>Is the discussion about the differences on the types of
>>>>uncertainties, that took place on the telecon, taking place, or it
>>>>hasn't started yet? I believe that it would be very helpful for the
>>>>entire group to participate.
>>>>
>>>>Best,
>>>>-gstoil
>>>
>>
>>
>>--
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