- From: Raphaël Troncy <Raphael.Troncy@cwi.nl>
- Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:14:38 +0200
- To: MMSem-XG Public List <public-xg-mmsem@w3.org>
All,
The minutes of the today's's meeting are available
http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html
Note: The next MMSEM-XG telecon is scheduled for
Thu 13 Apr 2007, 16:00 UTC
The Summary of action items read:
[NEW] ACTION: Erik to send the URL of the DIG35 OWL Schema by the next
telecon [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: Giovanni to explain in more detail parts of the music use
case, defining how to generate play lists [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to ask W3C what will happen with wiki
after the end of XG [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to contact W3C about extending XG
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action16]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff and Vasilis to fill 3.1 and 3.2 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff, Raphael and Erik to ask written W3C about formal
written request [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Raphael to write to the list email with acceptance for
publication [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Zeljko to rephrase the introduction to tools
classifications [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Zeljko to rise discussion on links between tool and use
cases pages [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review algorithm representation
UC by next week [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action13]
[PENDING] ACTION: Michael to prepare a stable TR Voc page for review by
next telecon [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Oscar to update a possible scenario with classical
music [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: Oscar to update the UC and the interop deliverable
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: Chris, Thierry and Raphael to update the UC and the
interop deliverable [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-mmsem-minutes.html#action12]
[PENDING] ACTION: Oscar, Stamatia, Raphael, Suzanne, Chrisa, Michael to
have MPEG-7 deliverable ready for review by
next telecon [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-mmsem-minutes.html#action20]
The minutes are fully reproduced below.
Best regards.
Raphaël
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W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 29-03-2007, 16:00 UTC
29 Mar 2007
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Mar/0063.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-irc
Attendees
Present
Thomas_Franz, Raphael, Zeljko, Jeff_Pan, Suzanne_Massimo,
Chris_Erik_Gaetan, Oscar, SusanneBoll, giovannit
Regrets
Tobias, Vassilis, Roberto, Chris, Sofia, Pasquale, Ioannis,
Melli, Michael
Chair
Jeff, Raphael
Scribe
Zeljko
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]1. ADMIN
2. [6]2. LINKS Pages
3. [7]3. Image Annotation on the Semantic Web Deliverable
4. [8]4. Interoperability Deliverable
5. [9]4.2 Music Use case: (Oscar)
6. [10]4.3 News Use case: (Thierry, Chris, Raphael)
7. [11]4.4 Photo Use case: (Susanne Boll, Erik Mannens)
8. [12]4.5 Tagging Use case: (George, Thomas, Raphael)
9. [13]4.6 Algorithm representation Use case: (Massimo,
Suzanne, Patrizia, Ovidio)
10. [14]4.7 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case: (Ioannis,
Sofia)
11. [15]5. MPEG-7 Deliverable (10')
12. [16]6. AOB
* [17]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<raphael> Meeting: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 29-03-2007,
16:00 UTC
<raphael> Scribe: Zeljko
<JeffP> Hi Raphael
<chrisa_stamatia> yes, we are together in Chania, working on the
deliverable
<JeffP> Hi guys
<chrisa_stamatia> hi all!
<JeffP> I mean "Hi ladies"
<chrisa_stamatia> yeap!
<chrisa_stamatia> we have some concerns on the schedule, it is a bit
tight given the Eastern...
<ocelma> raphael: i did the call via the Spanish dial-in number, but
not sure whether it worked (lots of music, but still waiting...)
<ocelma> ok
<scribe> Scribe: Zeljko
1. ADMIN
PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 15th March 2007 telecon
RESOLUTION: accepted the minutes of the 15th March 2007 telecon
... Next telecon scheduled: 13th April 2007
2. LINKS Pages
Vocabularies page
<scribe> ACTION: Michael to prepare a stable TR Voc page for review
by next telecon [PENDING] [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action01]
<raphael> Tools page
<raphael> Comments from Raphael:
[19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Mar/0062
.html
[19]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Mar/0062.html
Linking tools page and use cases
<raphael> The minutes of 15/03/07:
[20]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/15-mmsem-minutes.html
[20] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/15-mmsem-minutes.html
Links from Use Case pages to Tools pages, but not necessarily other
way round
<scribe> ACTION: Zeljko to rise discussion on links between tool and
use cases pages [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]
Additions to tools page
Problems with classifications of tools
Video terms too resctrictive?
Most of video tools also do the other media
Separate mark for multiple media types
"Multimodal" as an alternative?
Raphael: add text in categories
<scribe> ACTION: Zeljko to rephrase the introduction to tools
classifications [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action03]
Zeljko: Tools page has also linked from other wiki pages, and vice
versa
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to ask W3C what will happen with
wiki after the end of XG [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action04]
<SusanneBoll> I would also support for keeping the mailing list and
Wiki pages active
Jeff: related to extension of XG
3. Image Annotation on the Semantic Web Deliverable
<scribe> ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation
on the Semantic Web document" by next telecon change the css style
(XG report) [DONE] [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action05]
<scribe> ACTION: Raphael to write to the list email with acceptance
for publication [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]
4. Interoperability Deliverable
4.1 Structure (Vassilis, Jeff)
Jeff: fixed minor comments...
... table of content is now restricted to only two levels...
... moving all the references to end of the document...
... minor but time consuming...
... discuss the use of RDF to improve interoperability...
<SusanneBoll> unmute
SusanneBoll: the problem with RDF is that it cannot access the
fraction of the resource...
... rectangle with image, for example...
... reply sent to the list...
Raphael: well known issue, several possibilities...
... XML snippet, that define the anchor, and annotation describe
that anchor...
... defines how you define the region, MPEG-7 offers more detailed
way...
SusanneBoll: solution, but complicated
<Chris_Erik_Gaetan> DIG35 also has some MPEG-7 like solution for
this
Raphael: write to the list concrete problem, to get response about
how to od the annotation
SussaneBoll: is there any group/paper about this issues?
Raphael: "Obscure Object of Desire: Metadata on the Web"
Jeff: problem is not about RDF...
... we need to have some other means to identify regions...
... meeting with Vasilis...
... section 3.3 of interoperability deliverable...
... discussion about the patterns that we can find in the photo use
case...
... relation with algorithm use case...
... different interoperability requirements of use cases...
... additional ontologies needed...
... news use case - interesting illustrations of interoperability
problems, but no solutions written in the Wiki...
... writte all the solutions, and come with common patterns among
use cases...
... add more concrete examples that illustrate both the problem and
solution...
Raphael: time scale about filling sections
Jeff: basically ready, interdependency of sections...
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff and Vasilis to fill 3.1 and 3.2 [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action07]
4.2 Music Use case: (Oscar)
ID3 to OWL conversion
Oscar: interesting discussion in the list...
... implementation between ID3 and music ontology
... common ideas as there, should not be difficult to implement
mapping...
... finish coding, update the Wiki pages...
Raphael: do not focus on size of Wiki pages...
... short and focused is goed...
Giovanni: happy to participate and work with Oscar
<raphael> ACTION: Oscar to update the UC and the interop deliverable
PENDING [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action08]
<scribe> ACTION: Giovanni to explain in more detail parts of the
music use case, defining how to generate play lists [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action09]
Giovanni: relation with implementation and output of XG (use case
description)?
... actual implementation, or plans, descriptions...
Raphale: XG report text, but can link implementation of systems...
<raphael> ACTION: Oscar to update a possible scenario with classical
music PENDING [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action10]
4.3 News Use case: (Thierry, Chris, Raphael)
Raphael: modified the wiki...
... late, agressive time plan to finish the use case in a week...
... focussing the porblems, not clear before...
... updating examples in wiki pages...
... solutions are there, documenting them...
<Chris_Erik_Gaetan> +q
4.4 Photo Use case: (Susanne Boll, Erik Mannens)
<Chris_Erik_Gaetan> unmute me
Chris: 4 thing to say...
... 1. progress from 50% to 85%, done by next teleconf...
<sboll> wow
Chris: concrete examples...
<raphael> wowwwwwwww BIS :-)
Chris: 2. to more examples
... 3. licencing issues...
... eager that we use it, but for management commitee they need
written request from W3C...
... but it is gonna be OK...
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff, Raphael and Erik to ask written W3C about
formal written request [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action11]
<sboll> unmute me
Raphael: report to the list
SusanneBoll: interesting to look at this new standard
... should we use it more?
Erik: XMP, look into it, did not do it yet...
... after current work...
SusanneBoll: is standard solving many efforts, or is it still open
issue
Chris: ontology on the top of that to combine standards...
... generate one ontology to combine metadata standards...
Raphael: design an old sschema, is it available?
... how to do the tranformations?
Schema is almost done, on th eweb site until next teleconf...
scribe: not automatic translation...
<raphael> ACTION: Erik to send the URL of the DIG35 OWL Schema by
the next telecon [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action12]
scribe: develop a simple example, and transfer it into RDF...
4.5 Tagging Use case: (George, Thomas, Raphael)
Thomas: will be two meetings about that in April...
...
... in two weeks...
... discuss possible implementations, but not bring
implementation...
... more frequent meeting after...
... post outcome of the meetings...
4.6 Algorithm representation Use case: (Massimo, Suzanne, Patrizia,
Ovidio)
Jeff: send the comments to the mailing list...
... pattern not the same for this UC...
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review algorithm
representation UC [PENDING] [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action13]
<scribe> ACTION: Vassilis to contact Massimo to ask for next steps
[DONE] [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action14]
Massimo: waiting review...
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff to finish a review in one week [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action15]
4.7 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case: (Ioannis, Sofia)
Second part of the UC could be dropped?...
5. MPEG-7 Deliverable (10')
Raphael: started discussions, established very aggressive work plant
ot get documents quickly...
... keep updated the list about the progress...
6. AOB
Jeff: Future of the XG
<raphael> ... discussion on the list about a possible workshop
Jeff: chairs to check the possibilities of extending XG to get the
job done...
... also related to the workshop...
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to contact W3C about extending XG
[recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action16]
Erik: other want to work with us, also big companies...
<sboll> happy easter everybody
<giovannit> see you everybody :-)
<ThomasFranz> bye
<chrisa_stamatia> bye!
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Erik to send the URL of the DIG35 OWL Schema by the
next telecon [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: Giovanni to explain in more detail parts of the music
use case, defining how to generate play lists [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to ask W3C what will happen with wiki
after the end of XG [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to contact W3C about extending XG
[recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action16]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff and Vasilis to fill 3.1 and 3.2 [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff to finish a review in one week [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action15]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff, Raphael and Erik to ask written W3C about formal
written request [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Raphael to write to the list email with acceptance for
publication [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Zeljko to rephrase the introduction to tools
classifications [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Zeljko to rise discussion on links between tool and
use cases pages [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review algorithm
representation UC [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action13]
[PENDING] ACTION: Michael to prepare a stable TR Voc page for review
by next telecon [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Oscar to update a possible scenario with classical
music [recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: Oscar to update the UC and the interop deliverable
[recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action08]
[DONE] ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation
on the Semantic Web document" by next telecon change the css style
(XG report) [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action05]
[DONE] ACTION: Vassilis to contact Massimo to ask for next steps
[recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action14]
[End of minutes]
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Raphaël Troncy
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