- From: Raphaël Troncy <Raphael.Troncy@cwi.nl>
- Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:07:12 +0200
- To: MMSem-XG Public List <public-xg-mmsem@w3.org>
Dear all,
The minutes of today's meeting are at
http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html
Please, note that the next telecon is scheduled for Thursday 16/11/2006,
16:00 UTC
Jeff will organize an informal F2F meeting during ISWC 2006 in Athens,
Georgia, USA.
The minutes are also reproduced below ...
Best.
Raphaël
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[1] http://www.w3.org/
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W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 26-10-2006, 16:00 UTC
26 Oct 2006
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Oct/0053.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-irc
Attendees
Present
Raphael, Jacco, Jeff, Chris, Giovanni, Ovidio, Massimo,
Suzanne, Yiannis
Regrets
Thomas_Franz, Susanne_Boll, Paola_Hobson, Ioannis_Pratikakis,
Michael_Hausenblas, Stamatia, Melli, George, Patrizia
Chair
JeffP
Scribe
raphael, Jacco, Raphael, Raphael, Jacco
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]1. ADMIN
2. [6]admin
3. [7]2. LINKS Pages
4. [8]3. XG UPDATES
5. [9]3.1 Music Use Case
6. [10]3.2 News Use case
7. [11]3.3 Medical use case
8. [12]3.4 MPEG-7 metadata interoperability Use case
9. [13]3.5 Photo Use case: (Susanne)
10. [14]3.6 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case: (Ioannis)
11. [15]3.7 Algorithm representation Use case: (Massimo,
Patrizia, Ovidio)
12. [16]3.8 Tagging Use case: (George, Susanne, Thomas)
13. [17]4. Future Meetings
14. [18]5 AOB
* [19]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<pasquale> Hi Raphael, good morning
<raphael> Thanks for updating the Resources page ! I have added some
resources too
<pasquale> yes ;-) thanks to you!
<pasquale> unfortunately today i can only irc :-(
<chalaschek> Hi Raphael, how are you
<giovannit> piiiiing
<giovannit> conference in 5 minutes?
<giovannit> hi raphael :-)
<giovannit> well the tools wiki page has started.. its not in bad
shape. it wil lbecome better as we all update it when we find a new
tool
<giovannit> about the music use case.. its a difficult UC! :-) i am
now editing to write how lame ID3 specs are.
<giovannit> christian sends regrets
<raphael> Giovanni, you can already take the big old list of the MM
TF
<raphael> Will it not better to do DOAP file for each tool ? and
generate automatically the web page ?
<giovannit> i have pointed at your list already (image annotations)
<raphael> This should not point to, but replace !
<raphael> the old page will disappear soon :-)
<raphael> Scribe: raphael
zakim Giovanni is giovannit
<giovannit> thanks raph
1. ADMIN
admin
PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 12 October 2006 telecon:
ACCEPTED
PROPOSED next telecon 9 November 2006: ACCEPTED
2. LINKS Pages
<Jacco> Raphael: Vocabularies & resource wiki page start to look
really good
<Jacco> Others: if you have additions, do not send mail to list but
edit these wiki pages
<Jacco> Raphael: what about the tools pages?
<Jacco> Giovanni, I've started working on it
<Jacco> Used the old SWBPD page and added audio, video stuff
<Jacco> Giovanni: I'm not sure DOAP files have added value...
Use: [20]http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebDOAPBulletinBoard
[20] http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebDOAPBulletinBoard
<Jacco> Giovanni: not sure how to generate html file from RDF
<Jacco> Raphael: see link above for DOAP to HTML
<giovannit> proposal: an informal meeting at ISWC?
<giovannit> "informal" ?
PROPOSED next telecon 16 November 2006, and next one the 23rd
November
ACCEPTED
<OS> Raphael, for us the 23rd is a problem
<Jacco> ACTION: raphael to add the NewsML entry on the vocabularies
wiki page: DONE [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action01]
<Jacco> ACTION: Pasquale to maintain the Resources page: DONE
[recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]
<Jacco> ACTION: Michael to maintain the Vocabularies page: DONE
[recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action03]
<Jacco> ACTION: Giovanni and Christian to maintain the Tools page:
DONE [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action04]
These actions are rather continuously pending until the end of this
XG
<Jacco> Giovanni: what about an informal meeting at ISWC?
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff to arrange an informal F2F of the XG [recorded
in [25]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action05]
<Jacco> ACTION: Paul, Melli to do their wiki page: CONTINUED
[recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]
3. XG UPDATES
<Jacco> ACTION: ACTION: Thierry to do his wiki page: DONE [recorded
in [27]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action07]
Image Annotation on the Semantic Web
<Jacco> ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image
Annotation": CONTINUED [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action08]
I'm still working on the formatting issues
<Jacco> jeff: are we still using the swbpd website?
<Jacco> raphael: that should be changed too
Use cases on Interoperability Problems:
3.1 Music Use Case
<Jacco> raphael: main issue for this teleconf is to assign reviewers
to each use case
<Jacco> Giovanni: I asked my reviewers to wait a while
Giovanni: my mind was to build a complete SW music application
<Jacco> I've looked at ID3 version 1, version 2 seems like a mess
Giovanni: now I have understood that we should focus on integrating
musical vocabularies
Turn ID3 into RDF ?
but the values are still not controlled, a string and not a URI
<Jacco> defining the semantics of the ID3 tags is easy, the values
will be difficult
<Jacco> some ID3 fields allow the use of controlled vocabularies
<Jacco> giovanni: yes, you can, but what about existing metadata
that doesn't
giovanni: call for more volunteers in this use case
<scribe> Scribe: Jacco, Raphael
<Jacco> Giovanni: we need to find a balance between converting
everything to RDF and have no RDF at all
<Jacco> Raphael: exactly, and the use case need to show that balance
<Jacco> ACTION: Jacco to review music use case [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action09]
<Jacco> ACTION: Raphael to ask UPF to review music use case
[recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action10]
3.2 News Use case
<Jacco> Raphael: Thierry and Chris are also editing this use case
now
<Jacco> We will have more now that IPTC members have become members
too
<Jacco> We have presented a use case and shown how it can be
represented in NewsML and a boradcast format
<Jacco> and show how this can be better represented in OWL, with
example DL reasoning
<JeffP> [31]http://infolab.northwestern.edu/project.asp?id=40
[31] http://infolab.northwestern.edu/project.asp?id=40
<Jacco> Jeff: what about News At Seven project, see link above?
<Jacco> Raphael: we mentioned it in the wiki page
<Jacco> anyone on IRC that likes to review the news use case?
<Jacco> ACTION: Jeff to review use case [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action11]
<OS> which one?
<JeffP> the News
<OS> we are more interested in the MPEG-7 one
3.3 Medical use case
<Jacco> Melli is not here...
3.4 MPEG-7 metadata interoperability Use case
<Jacco> Raphael: I provided comments already, it seems to be a
mature use case
<Jacco> ACTION: Suzanne to review MPEG7 use case by next teleconf
[recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action12]
3.5 Photo Use case: (Susanne)
<Jacco> Suzanne Boll is not here
3.6 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case: (Ioannis)
<Jacco> Ioannis is not here, Raphael sent in comment by the mail
list today
3.7 Algorithm representation Use case: (Massimo, Patrizia, Ovidio)
<Jacco> Massimo: thanks for the comments Raphael
I proposed a possible collaboration with Melli
<Jacco> Could even become a single use case?
3.8 Tagging Use case: (George, Susanne, Thomas)
<Jacco> George is not here but sent a status update to the list
<Jacco> Jeff: should we have a key aspect the reviewers of all use
cases do focus on?
<Jacco> Like identify common problems or interoperability issues
across use cases
<Jacco> We need to be able to draw some conclusions at the end
<Jacco> having these issues explcicit would make the life of use
case authors and reviewers easier
<Jacco> giovanni: one could review how much effort the use case
requires and how realistic it is
<Jacco> ... and how existing "legacy" metadata fits into the
scenario
<Jacco> Jeff: we could start discussing this on the mailing list
<Jacco> Raphael: yes, but Vassilis needs to take the lead in this
<JeffP>
[34]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/talks/ICANN2006/Overview.
html#(11)
[34]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/talks/ICANN2006/Overview.html#(11)
<Jacco> ACTION: Vassilis to lead discussion on organizing common
aspects of all use cases [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action13]
4. Future Meetings
<JeffP> [36]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/39139/MMSEM-FTF02/results
[36] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/39139/MMSEM-FTF02/results
<Jacco> ACTION: Jacco, CNR, others to fill in the f2f form [recorded
in [37]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action14]
<Jacco> Giovanni: I cannot make the f2f
<Jacco> Jacco: I like to attend via teleconf too
<Jacco> Yannis: there are two days, Friday there is a room at the
SAMT venue
<scribe> ACTION: Raphael to send the details of the F2F [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action15]
Meeting Venue
Friday: SAMT conference hotel,
[39]http://www.divanis.com/acropolis/default-en.htm
[39] http://www.divanis.com/acropolis/default-en.htm
Saturday: NTUA campus
<Jacco> There will be wireless connection at the conf hotel
Book your flight tickets and hotel now, since the Divanis hotel will
be full
<Jacco> On Saturday their will be a room at the campus
<Jacco> Yannis: there is a special rate for conf. participants
there is a reduced price of 100 euros, single or double room
precising SAMT
<Jacco> see samt website
before November 5th for the Hotel registration
5 AOB
<Jacco> none
<giovannit> bye bye
<Jacco> Scribe: Raphael, Jacco
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Jacco to review music use case [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Jacco, CNR, others to fill in the f2f form [recorded
in [41]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action14]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff to arrange an informal F2F of the XG [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff to review use case [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Raphael to ask UPF to review music use case [recorded
in [44]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: Raphael to send the details of the F2F [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action15]
[NEW] ACTION: Suzanne to review MPEG7 use case by next teleconf
[recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: Vassilis to lead discussion on organizing common
aspects of all use cases [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action13]
[PENDING] ACTION: Paul, Melli to do their wiki page [recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image
Annotation" [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action08]
[DONE] ACTION: Giovanni and Christian to maintain the Tools page
[recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action04]
[DONE] ACTION: Michael to maintain the Vocabularies page [recorded
in [51]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action03]
[DONE] ACTION: Pasquale to maintain the Resources page [recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]
[DONE] ACTION: raphael to add the NewsML entry on the vocabularies
wiki page [recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action01]
[DONE] ACTION: Thierry to do his wiki page [recorded in
[54]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action07]
[End of minutes]
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Raphaël Troncy
CWI (Centre for Mathematics and Computer Science),
Kruislaan 413, 1098 SJ Amsterdam, The Netherlands
e-mail: raphael.troncy@cwi.nl & raphael.troncy@gmail.com
Tel: +31 (0)20 - 592 4093
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