- From: Uldis Bojars <captsolo@gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 22:16:11 +0300
- To: public-xg-lld <public-xg-lld@w3.org>
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The minutes of last week's LLD call are at
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html
A text version follows.
Uldis
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
LLD XG
19 May 2011
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011May/0040
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2011/05/19-lld-irc
Attendees
Present
antoine, emma, kcoyle, jeff_, tbaker, CaptSolo, jodi, marcia,
digikim_, edsu, ww, pmurray
Regrets
Monica, Daniel, Kai, Gordon, Ross, Lars, Kevin, Ray
Chair
Tom
Scribe
uldis
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Admin
2. [6]Final Report
* [7]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<tbaker> Previous:
[8]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/12-lld-minut
es.html
[8] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/12-lld-minutes.html
<antoine> ??P11 is TomB
<tbaker> Scribe: uldis
<tbaker> Scribenick: uldis
<marcia> * my Internet connection may be off during the meeting. it
is not stable. Have 3G backup then.
<digikim_> code not valid...
<antoine> @digikim: 55394?
<digikim_> yes
<tbaker> with a pound sign at the end?
<digikim_> tbaker: 55394# is not valid...
<tbaker> phone or skype?
<digikim_> skype, calling boston number
digikim_: the code works for me on skype, also calling the US number
<digikim_> uldis: strange
<jodi> I didn't have problems via skype, but who knows...
<jodi> I've had that experience, too, Karen
<tbaker> we're wondering if there is a problem with the phone bridge
and suggest you try again
<tbaker> ...i.e., start over
Admin
<antoine>
[9]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/12-lld-minut
es.html
[9] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/12-lld-minutes.html
RESOLUTION: To accept
[10]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/12-lld-minu
tes.html
[10] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/12-lld-minutes.html
<emma> Minutes ++ :_)
<digikim_> (the two first times the bridge did not say "please enter
your ... code" -- on the third time it did, perhaps that is related
to the problem? but everything is ok now.) :)
tbaker: assuming charter is going to be extended to Aug 31.
... put schedule of telcos for these months on the plan
Final Report
<tbaker> [11]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReport
[11] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReport
tbaker: updated the draft report on the wiki
... to reflect the proper links and section headings.
... action on Kim to updated the transcluded version.
... with the exception for the Section on available vocabs & data
sets
<antoine> kim?
<jodi> digikim_: Tom is asking whether it's difficult to update the
transcluded version (i.e. is it ok to do this twice, later)?
tbaker: if Kim could post a link to the list to the transcluded
version
digikim_: will post a link in a few days
RESOLUTION: Section owners to try to be ready for reviewers next
week [recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/12-lld-minu
tes.html#action01]
[12] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/12-lld-minutes.html#action01
<scribe> ACTION: Digikim to update the transcluded version of the
report by Wed Apr 13 [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/04/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action06] [CONTINUES] [CONTINUES] [CONTINUES]
[13] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/04/07-lld-minutes.html#action06
<scribe> ACTION: Section owners to try to be ready for reviewers
next week [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/12-lld-minu
tes.html#action01] [DONE]
[14] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/12-lld-minutes.html#action01
<scribe> ACTION: Chairs to send an email on the list to ask people
to be ready [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/12-lld-minu
tes.html#action02] [DONE]
[15] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/12-lld-minutes.html#action02
tbaker: let's move to the 1st section of the report
... sent an email to list asking for lightweight reviews, to be done
over the coming week
... where someone from outside the group working on the section
looks at the section
... if there are any issues, controversial, missing content
... just need a few coments. be ready to do that by the next week's
call
<jodi> scope is very short so it's a good one to volunteer for! :)
tbaker: scope section
... any volunteers?
<jodi>
[16]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Li
nked_Data.22:_Scope_of_this_report
[16] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Linked_Data.22:_Scope_of_this_report
tbaker: actually, everyone should look at this section
... to see if are consistent with other sections, etc.
<Zakim> ww, you wanted to comment on controversy
tbaker: doesn't mean we don't want controversial things in the
report
... but point out if there are controversial things in the report
<edsu> +1 for everyone
<jodi> +1 for everyone
<jeff_> +1 everyone
<antoine> but someone has to send an email!
<edsu> :-)
<jodi> I can send that email
<scribe> ACTION: everyone to read
[17]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Li
nked_Data.22:_Scope_of_this_report and do lightweight review
[recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action04]
[17] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Linked_Data.22:_Scope_of_this_report
tbaker: need to make sure the entire group has read the report. but
in the first stage we need just some basic feedback.
antoine: need to appoint someone to send the email
jodi: scope is different from other sections in that all need to
review, and someone needs to post an email re that
<marcia> suggest to refer to the explanations of these basic
concepts, in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset
#Introduction:_Scope_and_Definitions
[19] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset#Introduction:_Scope_and_Definitions
<tbaker> ACTION: Jodi to send email about Scope statement [recorded
in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action05]
tbaker: next: Benefits section
emma: updated to take into account the comments sent to the list
<edsu> emma++ # thanks
emma: also editing re benefits to students, organizations, etc.
... section re benefits for developers is still raw, needs work
... also for benefits re linked data (perhaps also needs benefits
for using OWL, SKOS, ...)
tbaker: currently there is a placeholder (re making it library
specific) which we can remove now
... volunteers?
<kcoyle> i'm not sure we have the right people on the call
<antoine> I can do it...
emma: this is a short section too
<marcia> I can do for "Benefits to Researchers, Students and Patrons
" part
<scribe> ACTION: Tom to ask Hideaki or Dickson to review
[21]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
[21] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits
<emma> yes done !!
<edsu> done, imho
<scribe> ACTION: edsu, emma, rsinger to create narrative text and
add to bullet-points [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/31-lld-minu
tes.html#action05] [DONE]
[23] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/31-lld-minutes.html#action05
tbaker: Next: Available Vocabularies and Datasets
... planned as a separate deliverable
... but also planned ot include a short section in the report,
summarizing this deliverable
antoine: that's still the plan.
... but deliverable not done yet
... could have a reviewer who could look at it starting from next
Monday
<antoine>
[24]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Dat
asets_Section
[24] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_Section
antoine: by next Monday should have the section as well
<antoine> is that ok with you, Marcia, Jeff, William?
tbaker: looking for a reviewer for this section (on Tuesday) and say
a few words on the next call
<ww> ok with me
<marcia> * yes
<edsu> i will do it
<marcia> *I was going to ask Ed to do it!
<edsu> marcia: :-D
<scribe> ACTION: Ed to review
[25]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Dat
asets_Section next Tuesday for discussion on Thursday [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action08]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_Section
tbaker: Next: Relevant technologies
<jeff_>
[27]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technol
ogies
[27] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technologies
jeff_: web services part has been added
<tbaker>
[28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2011May/0027.html
[28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2011May/0027.html
tbaker: can remove the tasks from the running agenda
<kcoyle> I can do that
tbaker: volunteers for review?
<scribe> ACTION: Karen to review
[29]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technol
ogies for next week [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action09]
[29] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technologies
tbaker: Next: IMPLEMENTATION CHALLENGES AND BARRIERS TO ADOPTION
... an ongoing action
... action continues
<scribe> ACTION: Gordon and Karen to consider relation between
problems and limitation section and the library resource wiki page.
[recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/24-lld-minu
tes.html#action01]
[31] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/24-lld-minutes.html#action01
<antoine> I can do it
<scribe> --continues
<scribe> ACTION: Antoine to review
[32]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_issues_page for
next week [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action11]
[32] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_issues_page
tbaker: Next: RECOMMENDATIONS AND NEXT STEPS
... key part of the report
<jodi> "the recommendations will be tweeted" ;)
<jeff_> I can do that
tbaker: really important to get it right
<antoine> +1 ww: suggests everyone looks at that
<digikim_> +1 ww
<jodi> +1 ww
shall i post this as action to Jeff or to everyone?
<antoine> but perhaps a couple of weeks later :-)
<jodi> well, we need such a section, but we'd need someone to write
it
scribe: re curriculum section that could be canceled if not done
<jodi> he became interim chair of his department, I think, so
unexpectedly busy
emma, ok
<jodi> +1 to antoine
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff to review
[34]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_
page for next week [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action12]
[34] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page
tbaker: action re asking about curriculum issues
<scribe> ACTION: Tom to ask Dickson and Guenther if they could
contribute curriculum issues to the Recommendations Section
[recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action13]
tbaker: an action to review the deliverable
<marcia>
[37]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset
[37] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset
tbaker: asks if Ed would look at the deliverable as well
antoine: re a deliverable and a summary of it in the report
<marcia> *Ed: a list of vocabularies
antoine: thought it is one review action for both things together
... texts overlap
edsu: i can do that
antoine: deliverable still not finished yet.
tbaker: Next: USE CASES
... Daniel working on summarizing the use cases
... still work to be done
... reviewer needed, to look at the structure, summaries, give some
comments
... great work already done
... need a volunteer
<scribe> ACTION: Jodi to review
[38]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport for next
week [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action14]
[38] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport
<jodi> well, sending an email is easy
<antoine>
[40]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011May/0042.h
tml
[40] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011May/0042.html
<jodi> so this is the substantial one
<jodi> so we can expect an update soon
antoine: re the review of the use cases, Daniel wrote he will send
something today
<jodi> thanks, Antoine, I'll wait a few days
antoine: best if Jodi waits 1-2 days before starting reviewing or
asks Daniel what's the status
tbaker: end of agenda for today
<digikim_> quick first draft of the updated transcluded page:
[41]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTranscl
usion
[41] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTransclusion
tbaker: anything else to discuss?
... need to finish by August
... need to get the text out to a wider circle to people
... we should ask people who are not on telcos and ask if they'd
review specific sections when they're more polished
... should also advertise report sections and look for more feedback
... some will be at the LOD-LAM summit (June 2,3) -- a chance to
discuss and get feedback
... at some point will transfer text from wiki to HTML
<edsu> kcoyle++
<jodi> kcoyle++
kcoyle: re the LOD-LAM summit -- we need to get wide attention on
this report during the review work
... important both to get feedback and to get buy-in
<antoine> +1
kcoyle: what is out strategy?
<jodi> +1 to substantial invited review
kcoyle: to ask particular people and organizations to review and
comments?
tbaker: proposal to have more targeted list re who reviews
<jodi> yes
<marcia> me too
<jodi> doing a session -- it's an unconference
tbaker: 5 people from the call will be there
<marcia> +Karen
kcoyle: will be a BarCampy kind of event
<digikim_> ISWC and DC should also be used for dissemination
kcoyle: one session could be re working on the recommendations
... re strategy: will we solicit comments from organizations such as
LoC, the British Library? from the individuals?
<antoine> edsu++
<jodi> edsu++
edsu: should ask for comments from people we don't know. but also
want to ask specific people too.
kcoyle: from technical point of view -- should be easy to comment on
particular sections
<jodi> +1 to making it easy to comment
kcoyle: there was some software / webapp that makes it easy
<jodi> commentpress, for instance
kcoyle: where can upload the document and comment by the side of the
document
+1 easy commenting
<antoine> I'm a bit skeptical...
<jodi> for instance: [42]http://a.nnotate.com/ and
[43]http://www.futureofthebook.org/commentpress/
[42] http://a.nnotate.com/
[43] http://www.futureofthebook.org/commentpress/
<digikim_> Google docs does that too...
<jodi> indeed!
reminds how php.net allows to comment on the documentation (though
at a webpage, not section level)
<antoine> There was a JISC document like that?
tbaker: suggestions how to this
<antoine> ok!
<emma> sure !
<antoine> (I'm not chairing next call, though...)
<digikim_> (you wish...) ;)
<scribe> ACTION: Antoine and Emmanuelle to talk about strategies for
getting comments at next call [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action15]
<digikim_> thanks
<jodi> bye
<marcia> bye
tbaker: meeting finished
<ww> bye all
anyone going to SemTech?
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Antoine and Emmanuelle to talk about strategies for
getting comments at next call [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action15]
[NEW] ACTION: Antoine to review
[46]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_issues_page for
next week [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Ed to review
[48]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Dat
asets_Section next Tuesday for discussion on Thursday [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: everyone to read
[50]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Li
nked_Data.22:_Scope_of_this_report and do lightweight review
[recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff to review
[52]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_
page for next week [recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: Jodi to review
[54]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport for next
week [recorded in
[55]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action14]
[NEW] ACTION: Jodi to send email about Scope statement [recorded in
[56]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Karen to review
[57]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technol
ogies for next week [recorded in
[58]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Tom to ask Hideaki or Dickson to review
[59]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits recorded in
[60]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Tom to ask Dickson and Guenther if they could
contribute curriculum issues to the Recommendations Section
[recorded in
[61]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action13]
[46] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_issues_page
[48] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_Section
[50] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Linked_Data.22:_Scope_of_this_report
[52] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page
[54] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport
[57] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technologies
[59] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits
[PENDING] ACTION: Digikim to update the transcluded version of the
report by Wed Apr 13 [recorded in
[62]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/04/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Gordon and Karen to consider relation between
problems and limitation section and the library resource wiki page.
[recorded in
[63]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/24-lld-minu
tes.html#action01]
[62] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/04/07-lld-minutes.html#action06
[63] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/24-lld-minutes.html#action01
[DONE] ACTION: Chairs to send an email on the list to ask people to
be ready [recorded in
[64]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/12-lld-minu
tes.html#action02]
[DONE] ACTION: edsu, emma, rsinger to create narrative text and add
to bullet-points [recorded in
[65]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/31-lld-minu
tes.html#action05]
[DONE] ACTION: Section owners to try to be ready for reviewers next
week [recorded in
[66]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/12-lld-minu
tes.html#action01]
[64] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/12-lld-minutes.html#action02
[65] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/31-lld-minutes.html#action05
[66] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/12-lld-minutes.html#action01
[End of minutes]
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