- From: Young,Jeff (OR) <jyoung@oclc.org>
- Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:55:43 -0400
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Hi everyone, The minutes of our call today are at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html A text version follows. Jeff =========== [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ LLD XG 21 Jul 2011 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jul/0028.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2011/07/21-lld-irc Attendees Present antoine, pmurray, tbaker, kcoyle, AlexanderH, jeff_, marcia, GordonD, digikim_, michaelp Regrets Jodi, Monica, Uldis, Joachim, Kevin Chair Antoine Scribe Jeff Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]ADMIN 2. [6]FINAL REPORT 3. [7]EXECUTIVE SUMMARY (tbd) 4. [8]"LIBRARY LINKED DATA": SCOPE OF THIS REPORT (Karen, Peter, Tom, Gordon, Jodi) 5. [9]BENEFITS OF LINKED DATA (Ed, Emmanuelle, Ross) 6. [10]AVAILABLE VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS (Antoine, Jeff, Marcia, William) 7. [11]RELEVANT TECHNOLOGIES (Jeff) 8. [12]IMPLEMENTATION CHALLENGES AND BARRIERS TO ADOPTION (Karen, Peter, Tom, Gordon, Jodi) 9. [13]RECOMMENDATIONS AND NEXT STEPS (Karen, Peter, Tom, Gordon, Jodi) 10. [14]LIBRARY LINKED DATA: VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS - SEPARATE DELIVERABLE (Antoine, Jeff, Marcia, William) 11. [15]USE CASES (Daniel) - SEPARATE DELIVERABLE * [16]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <antoine> Previous: 2011-07-07 [17]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu tes.html [17] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html <antoine> Scribe: Jeff <antoine> Scribenick: jeff_ ADMIN RESOLUTION: accept minutes from last call No telecon next week, but the ones left are important FINAL REPORT The blog is up and some comments are coming in Keeping track of commentary/reviews at [18]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportReviewerAss ignments [18] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportReviewerAssignments Need a new volunteer to track late coming comments. Daniel is scheduled for the coming week. <Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to ask if Daniel cannot do it? <scribe> ACTION: Karen Coyle to keep track of comments on the mailing list between July 8 and July 15 [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action04] [DONE] [19] http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action04 <scribe> ACTION: Jeff to keep track of comments on the mailing list between July 15 and July 22 [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action05] [DONE] [20] http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action05 <scribe> ACTION: Editors of each section should watch for substantial comments to their section [recorded in [21]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action06] [CONTINUES] [21] http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action06 EXECUTIVE SUMMARY (tbd) <scribe> ACTION: chairs to send email to list asking for volunteers to write the executive summary [recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu tes.html#action08] [DONE] [22] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html #action08 <GordonD> I will volunteer to help Karen <GordonD> +1 for the three of us on a telecon ... <GordonD> +1 makes four <scribe> ACTION: Karen, Tom, Michael, and Gordon to write the executive summary due in two weeks. [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu tes.html#action05] [24]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ExecutiveSummary [24] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ExecutiveSummary karen: I imagine 1 to 1 1/2 page for the executive summary would be sufficient. Tom: Agreed, with more or less as we feel it is needed. <antoine> [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jul/0022.h tml [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jul/0022.html "LIBRARY LINKED DATA": SCOPE OF THIS REPORT (Karen, Peter, Tom, Gordon, Jodi) <scribe> ACTION: Karen and Emma to write a sentence adding cultural and memory institutions together in some way [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu tes.html#action03] [CONTINUES] [26] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html #action03 BENEFITS OF LINKED DATA (Ed, Emmanuelle, Ross) Any issues to report? No comments. AVAILABLE VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS (Antoine, Jeff, Marcia, William) Antoine: started to address 1st set of comments and confident the issues can be integrated. RELEVANT TECHNOLOGIES (Jeff) <GordonD> Action on Gordon is now done <scribe> ACTION: Gordon to review Relevant Technologies [recorded in [27]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld-minu tes.html#action04] [DONE] [27] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld-minutes.html #action04 <antoine> [28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jul/0029.h tml [28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jul/0029.html <Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to ask about PIDs as raised by Juha <antoine> Alexander: need to ack that a URN is a URI Tom: Juha commented on reference to Cool URIs vs. other forms of persistent URIs. Deserves some more subtle wording to accommodate URNs. <antoine> Jeff: Agreed. I 'll work on it <antoine> ... Gordon also commented on this. <Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to point Jeff to [29]http://metadaten-twr.org/2010/10/13/persistent-identifiers-an-ov erview/ [29] http://metadaten-twr.org/2010/10/13/persistent-identifiers-an-overview/ Alex: need to accommodate URNs better. Tom: we need to acknowledge other URI schemes ... best practice is still evolving. ... Need to point to larger discussion. <digikim_> +1 <antoine> Alex: anyone tried URN in SPARQL? <marcia> There was a circulated reference link yesterday: What Do URIs Mean Anyway? [30]http://www.jenitennison.com/blog/node/159 [30] http://www.jenitennison.com/blog/node/159 <antoine> Jeff: id.loc.gov has owl:sameAs to info:URIs. <antoine> ... they're not resolvable <antoine> .. ideally using owl:sameAs you would link URNs to resolvable URIS <antoine> (Antoine remembers having done something like that with ARK ids) <tbaker> Juha's comments are at [31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2011Jun/0012.html [31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2011Jun/0012.html <GordonD> It might be useful to add something about sameAs linking between resolvable and unresolvable IDs in the relevant technologies section? Or is this an Issue requiring a Recommendation? <antoine> Jeff: In the early days, it wasn't clear if http URIs should be used to identify things that aren't "located" one the Web. That uncertainty was the basis for inventing some new URI schemes like URNs and "info" URIs. These ambiguities and uncertainties were eventually resolved by [32]http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3305 and [33]httpRange-14. Now that the concern is resolved, we could recommend using owl:sameAs to map these non-resolvable URI schemes to http URIs. Even if this mapping isn't done, the non-resolvable URIs are still useful in RDF and SPARQL. [32] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3305 [33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Jun/0039.html <AlexanderH> +1 gordon <antoine> Jeff: it's worth mentioning <antoine> Tom: not elevating to recommendation <antoine> Jeff And Tom: we agree <scribe> ACTION: Jeff to integrate more refined view of non-resolvable URIs and linking. [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu tes.html#action08] Jeff will review blog entries for reusable statements. <antoine> gordon: main issue is mixing different levels <antoine> Jeff: all feedback helps <scribe> ACTION: everybody to scrutinize the relevant technologies to solve the issue of mixing different levels [recorded in [35]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu tes.html#action09] IMPLEMENTATION CHALLENGES AND BARRIERS TO ADOPTION (Karen, Peter, Tom, Gordon, Jodi) <scribe> ACTION: Karen will convene issues and recommendations group to identify things that need to be discussed with larger group for July 21 meeting [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu tes.html#action04] [CONTINUES] [36] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html #action04 <scribe> ACTION: Karen and Antoine to relate Library Data Resources and Library Standards and Linked data [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/16-lld-minutes.html#action12] [CONTINUES] [37] http://www.w3.org/2011/06/16-lld-minutes.html#action12 Karen: these two sections were put together as background. They stay in the wiki, but can be used as a checklist for the report section. ... the blog appears to be broken in a new way. <pmurray> Oh, that is odd. Tom: It looks like a temporary issue. Karen: Comments are coming into the blog and will be processed. ... The comments so far haven't been radical and can probably be integrated. Antoine: the comments don't appear to be spam RECOMMENDATIONS AND NEXT STEPS (Karen, Peter, Tom, Gordon, Jodi) <scribe> ACTION: Tom to ask Dickson and Guenther if they could contribute curriculum issues to the Recommendations Section [recorded in [38]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu tes.html#action13] [DONE] [38] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html #action13 LIBRARY LINKED DATA: VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS - SEPARATE DELIVERABLE (Antoine, Jeff, Marcia, William) Antoine: not much to say. Other comments? USE CASES (Daniel) - SEPARATE DELIVERABLE <scribe> ACTION: Emma to review use cases and make comments [recorded in [39]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu tes.html#action07] [CONTINUES] [39] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html #action07 Comments? Any other business? <antoine> [40]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jul/0021.h tml [40] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jul/0021.html <antoine> [41]http://www.slideshare.net/TalisConsulting/linked-data-workshop-s tanford-university [41] http://www.slideshare.net/TalisConsulting/linked-data-workshop-stanford- university Antoine: Presentation on Linked Data at Stanford that has overlap with our group. ... Would be nice if our report related to theirs ... Was anyone on the call involved and able to comment? ... [No response] <kcoyle> [42]http://inkdroid.org/journal/2011/07/14/stanford-linked-data-meet ing-notes-an-incidental-manifesto/ [42] http://inkdroid.org/journal/2011/07/14/stanford-linked-data-meeting-note s-an-incidental-manifesto/ <kcoyle> edsu's notes We should discuss their report later and find ways to relate parts to our document. <digikim_> Thanks to everybody. I will be taking my Summer vacation in August, so this was unfortunately the final call for me. I will be looking forward on what reactions the report gets when it is finalized and published. :) Antoine: Thanks for contributing Kim! Meeting is ajourned. Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: everybody to scrutinize the relevant technologies to solve the issue of mixing different levels [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu tes.html#action09] [NEW] ACTION: Jeff to integrate more refined view of non-resolvable URIs and linking. [recorded in [44]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu tes.html#action08] [NEW] ACTION: Karen, Tom, Michael, and Gordon to write the executive summary due in two weeks. [recorded in [45]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu tes.html#action05] [PENDING] ACTION: Editors of each section should watch for substantial comments to their section [recorded in [46]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action06] [PENDING] ACTION: Emma to review use cases and make comments [recorded in [47]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu tes.html#action07] [PENDING] ACTION: Karen and Antoine to relate Library Data Resources and Library Standards and Linked data [recorded in [48]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/16-lld-minutes.html#action12] [PENDING] ACTION: Karen and Emma to write a sentence adding cultural and memory institutions together in some way [recorded in [49]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu tes.html#action03] [PENDING] ACTION: Karen will convene issues and recommendations group to identify things that need to be discussed with larger group for July 21 meeting [recorded in [50]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu tes.html#action04] [46] http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action06 [47] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html #action07 [48] http://www.w3.org/2011/06/16-lld-minutes.html#action12 [49] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html #action03 [50] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html #action04 [DONE] ACTION: chairs to send email to list asking for volunteers to write the executive summary [recorded in [51]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu tes.html#action08] [DONE] ACTION: Gordon to review Relevant Technologies [recorded in [52]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld-minu tes.html#action04] [DONE] ACTION: Jeff to keep track of comments on the mailing list between July 15 and July 22 [recorded in [53]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action05] [DONE] ACTION: Karen Coyle to keep track of comments on the mailing list between July 8 and July 15 [recorded in [54]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action04] [DONE] ACTION: Tom to ask Dickson and Guenther if they could contribute curriculum issues to the Recommendations Section [recorded in [55]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu tes.html#action13] [51] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html #action08 [52] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld-minutes.html #action04 [53] http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action05 [54] http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action04 [55] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html #action13 [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [56]scribe.perl version 1.136 ([57]CVS log) $Date: 2011/07/21 18:28:17 $ [56] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [57] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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