- From: Young,Jeff (OR) <jyoung@oclc.org>
- Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:55:43 -0400
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Hi everyone,
The minutes of our call today are at
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html
A text version follows.
Jeff
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
LLD XG
21 Jul 2011
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jul/0028.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2011/07/21-lld-irc
Attendees
Present
antoine, pmurray, tbaker, kcoyle, AlexanderH, jeff_, marcia,
GordonD, digikim_, michaelp
Regrets
Jodi, Monica, Uldis, Joachim, Kevin
Chair
Antoine
Scribe
Jeff
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]ADMIN
2. [6]FINAL REPORT
3. [7]EXECUTIVE SUMMARY (tbd)
4. [8]"LIBRARY LINKED DATA": SCOPE OF THIS REPORT (Karen,
Peter, Tom, Gordon, Jodi)
5. [9]BENEFITS OF LINKED DATA (Ed, Emmanuelle, Ross)
6. [10]AVAILABLE VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS (Antoine, Jeff,
Marcia, William)
7. [11]RELEVANT TECHNOLOGIES (Jeff)
8. [12]IMPLEMENTATION CHALLENGES AND BARRIERS TO ADOPTION
(Karen, Peter, Tom, Gordon, Jodi)
9. [13]RECOMMENDATIONS AND NEXT STEPS (Karen, Peter, Tom,
Gordon, Jodi)
10. [14]LIBRARY LINKED DATA: VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS -
SEPARATE DELIVERABLE (Antoine, Jeff, Marcia, William)
11. [15]USE CASES (Daniel) - SEPARATE DELIVERABLE
* [16]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<antoine> Previous: 2011-07-07
[17]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu
tes.html
[17]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html
<antoine> Scribe: Jeff
<antoine> Scribenick: jeff_
ADMIN
RESOLUTION: accept minutes from last call
No telecon next week, but the ones left are important
FINAL REPORT
The blog is up and some comments are coming in
Keeping track of commentary/reviews at
[18]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportReviewerAss
ignments
[18]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportReviewerAssignments
Need a new volunteer to track late coming comments.
Daniel is scheduled for the coming week.
<Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to ask if Daniel cannot do it?
<scribe> ACTION: Karen Coyle to keep track of comments on the
mailing list between July 8 and July 15 [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action04] [DONE]
[19] http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action04
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff to keep track of comments on the mailing list
between July 15 and July 22 [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action05] [DONE]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action05
<scribe> ACTION: Editors of each section should watch for
substantial comments to their section [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action06]
[CONTINUES]
[21] http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action06
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY (tbd)
<scribe> ACTION: chairs to send email to list asking for volunteers
to write the executive summary [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action08] [DONE]
[22]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html
#action08
<GordonD> I will volunteer to help Karen
<GordonD> +1 for the three of us on a telecon ...
<GordonD> +1 makes four
<scribe> ACTION: Karen, Tom, Michael, and Gordon to write the
executive summary due in two weeks. [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu
tes.html#action05]
[24]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ExecutiveSummary
[24] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ExecutiveSummary
karen: I imagine 1 to 1 1/2 page for the executive summary would be
sufficient.
Tom: Agreed, with more or less as we feel it is needed.
<antoine>
[25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jul/0022.h
tml
[25]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jul/0022.html
"LIBRARY LINKED DATA": SCOPE OF THIS REPORT (Karen, Peter, Tom, Gordon,
Jodi)
<scribe> ACTION: Karen and Emma to write a sentence adding cultural
and memory institutions together in some way [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action03] [CONTINUES]
[26]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html
#action03
BENEFITS OF LINKED DATA (Ed, Emmanuelle, Ross)
Any issues to report?
No comments.
AVAILABLE VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS (Antoine, Jeff, Marcia, William)
Antoine: started to address 1st set of comments and confident the
issues can be integrated.
RELEVANT TECHNOLOGIES (Jeff)
<GordonD> Action on Gordon is now done
<scribe> ACTION: Gordon to review Relevant Technologies [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld-minu
tes.html#action04] [DONE]
[27]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld-minutes.html
#action04
<antoine>
[28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jul/0029.h
tml
[28]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jul/0029.html
<Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to ask about PIDs as raised by Juha
<antoine> Alexander: need to ack that a URN is a URI
Tom: Juha commented on reference to Cool URIs vs. other forms of
persistent URIs. Deserves some more subtle wording to accommodate
URNs.
<antoine> Jeff: Agreed. I 'll work on it
<antoine> ... Gordon also commented on this.
<Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to point Jeff to
[29]http://metadaten-twr.org/2010/10/13/persistent-identifiers-an-ov
erview/
[29]
http://metadaten-twr.org/2010/10/13/persistent-identifiers-an-overview/
Alex: need to accommodate URNs better.
Tom: we need to acknowledge other URI schemes
... best practice is still evolving.
... Need to point to larger discussion.
<digikim_> +1
<antoine> Alex: anyone tried URN in SPARQL?
<marcia> There was a circulated reference link yesterday: What Do
URIs Mean Anyway? [30]http://www.jenitennison.com/blog/node/159
[30] http://www.jenitennison.com/blog/node/159
<antoine> Jeff: id.loc.gov has owl:sameAs to info:URIs.
<antoine> ... they're not resolvable
<antoine> .. ideally using owl:sameAs you would link URNs to
resolvable URIS
<antoine> (Antoine remembers having done something like that with
ARK ids)
<tbaker> Juha's comments are at
[31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2011Jun/0012.html
[31]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2011Jun/0012.html
<GordonD> It might be useful to add something about sameAs linking
between resolvable and unresolvable IDs in the relevant technologies
section? Or is this an Issue requiring a Recommendation?
<antoine> Jeff: In the early days, it wasn't clear if http URIs
should be used to identify things that aren't "located" one the Web.
That uncertainty was the basis for inventing some new URI schemes
like URNs and "info" URIs. These ambiguities and uncertainties were
eventually resolved by [32]http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3305 and
[33]httpRange-14. Now that the concern is resolved, we could
recommend using owl:sameAs to map these non-resolvable URI schemes
to http URIs. Even if this mapping isn't done, the non-resolvable
URIs are still useful in RDF and SPARQL.
[32] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3305
[33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Jun/0039.html
<AlexanderH> +1 gordon
<antoine> Jeff: it's worth mentioning
<antoine> Tom: not elevating to recommendation
<antoine> Jeff And Tom: we agree
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff to integrate more refined view of
non-resolvable URIs and linking. [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu
tes.html#action08]
Jeff will review blog entries for reusable statements.
<antoine> gordon: main issue is mixing different levels
<antoine> Jeff: all feedback helps
<scribe> ACTION: everybody to scrutinize the relevant technologies
to solve the issue of mixing different levels [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu
tes.html#action09]
IMPLEMENTATION CHALLENGES AND BARRIERS TO ADOPTION (Karen, Peter, Tom,
Gordon, Jodi)
<scribe> ACTION: Karen will convene issues and recommendations group
to identify things that need to be discussed with larger group for
July 21 meeting [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action04] [CONTINUES]
[36]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html
#action04
<scribe> ACTION: Karen and Antoine to relate Library Data Resources
and Library Standards and Linked data [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/16-lld-minutes.html#action12]
[CONTINUES]
[37] http://www.w3.org/2011/06/16-lld-minutes.html#action12
Karen: these two sections were put together as background. They stay
in the wiki, but can be used as a checklist for the report section.
... the blog appears to be broken in a new way.
<pmurray> Oh, that is odd.
Tom: It looks like a temporary issue.
Karen: Comments are coming into the blog and will be processed.
... The comments so far haven't been radical and can probably be
integrated.
Antoine: the comments don't appear to be spam
RECOMMENDATIONS AND NEXT STEPS (Karen, Peter, Tom, Gordon, Jodi)
<scribe> ACTION: Tom to ask Dickson and Guenther if they could
contribute curriculum issues to the Recommendations Section
[recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action13] [DONE]
[38]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html
#action13
LIBRARY LINKED DATA: VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS - SEPARATE DELIVERABLE
(Antoine, Jeff, Marcia, William)
Antoine: not much to say. Other comments?
USE CASES (Daniel) - SEPARATE DELIVERABLE
<scribe> ACTION: Emma to review use cases and make comments
[recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action07] [CONTINUES]
[39]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html
#action07
Comments?
Any other business?
<antoine>
[40]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jul/0021.h
tml
[40]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jul/0021.html
<antoine>
[41]http://www.slideshare.net/TalisConsulting/linked-data-workshop-s
tanford-university
[41]
http://www.slideshare.net/TalisConsulting/linked-data-workshop-stanford-
university
Antoine: Presentation on Linked Data at Stanford that has overlap
with our group.
... Would be nice if our report related to theirs
... Was anyone on the call involved and able to comment?
... [No response]
<kcoyle>
[42]http://inkdroid.org/journal/2011/07/14/stanford-linked-data-meet
ing-notes-an-incidental-manifesto/
[42]
http://inkdroid.org/journal/2011/07/14/stanford-linked-data-meeting-note
s-an-incidental-manifesto/
<kcoyle> edsu's notes
We should discuss their report later and find ways to relate parts
to our document.
<digikim_> Thanks to everybody. I will be taking my Summer vacation
in August, so this was unfortunately the final call for me. I will
be looking forward on what reactions the report gets when it is
finalized and published. :)
Antoine: Thanks for contributing Kim!
Meeting is ajourned.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: everybody to scrutinize the relevant technologies to
solve the issue of mixing different levels [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu
tes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff to integrate more refined view of non-resolvable
URIs and linking. [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu
tes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Karen, Tom, Michael, and Gordon to write the executive
summary due in two weeks. [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu
tes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Editors of each section should watch for
substantial comments to their section [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Emma to review use cases and make comments
[recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Karen and Antoine to relate Library Data Resources
and Library Standards and Linked data [recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/16-lld-minutes.html#action12]
[PENDING] ACTION: Karen and Emma to write a sentence adding cultural
and memory institutions together in some way [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Karen will convene issues and recommendations
group to identify things that need to be discussed with larger group
for July 21 meeting [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action04]
[46] http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action06
[47]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html
#action07
[48] http://www.w3.org/2011/06/16-lld-minutes.html#action12
[49]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html
#action03
[50]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html
#action04
[DONE] ACTION: chairs to send email to list asking for volunteers to
write the executive summary [recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action08]
[DONE] ACTION: Gordon to review Relevant Technologies [recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld-minu
tes.html#action04]
[DONE] ACTION: Jeff to keep track of comments on the mailing list
between July 15 and July 22 [recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action05]
[DONE] ACTION: Karen Coyle to keep track of comments on the mailing
list between July 8 and July 15 [recorded in
[54]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action04]
[DONE] ACTION: Tom to ask Dickson and Guenther if they could
contribute curriculum issues to the Recommendations Section
[recorded in
[55]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action13]
[51]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html
#action08
[52]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld-minutes.html
#action04
[53] http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action05
[54] http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action04
[55]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html
#action13
[End of minutes]
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