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Hi all: The minutes of our telecon today are athttp://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/25-lld-minutes.html A text version follows at the end of this email. This was the last scheduled telecon of the W3C Library Linked Data Incubator Group. On behalf of all scribes, I thank the Chairs - Tom, Emmanuelle, Antoine - for their patience and tolerance, and for helping us out in times of need with such good grace. They did a great job in keeping to the agenda, and keeping us ruly! Cheers Gordon [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ LLD XG 25 Aug 2011 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0121.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2011/08/25-lld-irc Attendees Present rsinger, tbaker, antoine, emma, marcia, kcoyle, pmurray, GordonD, dvilasuero, jeff_, michaelp, jneubert Regrets Jodi Chair Antoine Scribe Gordon Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]ADMIN 2. [6]ACTIONS RELATED TO DELIVERABLES 3. [7]TRANSITION TO W3C COMMUNITY GROUP 4. [8]CLOSE INCUBATOR GROUP AND HAND OVER TO PUBLICATION EDITORS * [9]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <emma> Previous: 2011-08-18 [10]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minu tes.html [10] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minutes.html <antoine> Scribe: Gordon <antoine> Scribenick: GordonD ADMIN Resolved: To accept minutes of previous meeting <antoine> [11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2011Aug/0030.html [11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2011Aug/0030.html <scribe> ACTION: Tom to post an announcement to the list that comment period has ended [recorded in [12]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minu tes.html#action03] [DONE] [12] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minutes.html#action03 ACTIONS RELATED TO DELIVERABLES <scribe> ACTION: Tom and Antoine to draft acknowledgements. [recorded in [13]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minu tes.html#action06] [DONE] [13] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minutes.html#action06 <antoine> [14]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/AcknowledgementsDatase tDeliverable [14] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/AcknowledgementsDatasetDeliverable Antoine: We added acknowledgements to reviewers and CKAN curators Tom: William was a CKAN curator, too <antoine> [15]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/AcknowledgementsUseCas eDeliverable [15] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/AcknowledgementsUseCaseDeliverable Antoine: List of contributors to use-case deliverable (deliverable B) is quite long. Tom: Propose to put the list into acknowledgements. Karen: What is key are the names of those who contributed the use cases. ... No need to have specific members of the group mentioned, as everyone did some work. <emma> +1 for listing cluster editors <tbaker> +1 <jeff_> +1 <dvilasuero> +1 <emma> +1 <rsinger> +1 <kcoyle> +1 Antoine: So we have an acknowledgement section, and then the individual contributions RESOLUTION: To have Daniel as editor, and an acknowledgements section that lists the use case editors and individual contributors. <antoine> [16]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/AcknowledgementsMainDe liverable [16] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/AcknowledgementsMainDeliverable Antoine: For deliverable A (main deliverable), do we acknowledge just the editors, or all members of the group? Emma: Does this include group members who have carried out reviews? Antoine: Should include all significant contributions. <Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to propose that we list contributors in Acknowledgements <pmurray> +1 for at end and in paragraph form Karen: Acknowledgments shouldn't break up text; should go in a separate section. <rsinger> +1 here too <rsinger> otherwise it's like a musical, where the audience claps after every number <tbaker> +1 to post draft acknowledgements to list before finalizing <michaelp> +1 for a paragraph at the end, like the Provenance XG final report did: [17]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/XGR-prov-20101214/ [17] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/XGR-prov-20101214/ Karen: Need to ensure we acknowledge everyone who warrants it. <michaelp> Don't we have to stick with W3C format, where editors are on top? Tom: Preference is to follow Provenance XG style: list editors, then a separate acknowledgments section somewhere (not necessarily at end), whatever W3C indicates. <dvilasuero> +1 Antoine: We are probably ok with either editors listed at top of report, or included with other group members in acknowledgments. <kcoyle> I don't feel strongly one way or the other <marcia> +1 <rsinger> yeah, i can't say i care that much <emma> I dont mind either ;-) <jeff_> I don't have an opinion <Zakim> emma, you wanted to suggest we look at this when the report is in definitive form Tom: Usual for editors to be given; we should list all those actively involved. <tbaker> +1 <jeff_> +1 Antoine: We should ask for advice from W3C colleagues; default is long list of editors. <emma> +1 <kcoyle> +1 <dvilasuero> +1 <marcia> +1 <michaelp> +1 <scribe> ACTION: Chair to solicit feedback from W3C contacts regarding the editor list issue. [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/25-lld-minu tes.html#action03] <antoine> Executive summary: [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0041.h tml [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0041.html Emma: Exec summary is short enough to be in just one part, with no internal divisions. <tbaker> +1 to keep the summary as one block <kcoyle> +1 <jeff_> +1 <scribe> ACTION: Karen, Tom, Michael, and Gordon to write the executive summary [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu tes.html#action05] [DONE] [20] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action05 <Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to propose that we give copy editors latitude to make improvements <rsinger> +1 <rsinger> no objection <kcoyle> and we need to fix capitalization, etc. <jeff_> +1 <michaelp> +1 to give copy editors latitude to smooth things <marcia> +1 <antoine> I've just fixed the summary: [21]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ExecutiveSummary [21] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ExecutiveSummary <scribe> ACTION: Karen and Emma to write a sentence in Scope adding cultural and memory institutions together in some way [recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu tes.html#action03] [DONE] [22] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action03 <antoine> [23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0087.h tml [23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0087.html <tbaker> +1 looks good <scribe> ACTION: Ross to propose sentence in Benefits about sum being more than the parts [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minu tes.html#action07] [DONE] [24] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minutes.html#action07 <antoine> [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0088.h tml [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0088.html <tbaker> +1 ross, nice result! <kcoyle> and very good, thanks ross! <emma> Ross++ <rsinger> no, thanks karen and tom <jeff_> +1 <rsinger> very good improvements <michaelp> +1 Daniel: Use Case report: Most of Emma's comments on use cases have been actioned. <dvilasuero> [26]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport#Bibliogr aphic_data [26] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport#Bibliographic_data <emma> the table looks good ! <pmurray> This is good. I like the higher-level overview. <marcia> Very good table and overview Daniel: Deliverable will close tomorrow, so last chance for further comments. <kcoyle> looks good <emma> +1 for tables and finishing the deliverable tomorrow Daniel: Table approach will be extended to all clusters. <kcoyle> it may be different when html'd <kcoyle> we could do it as two columns <kcoyle> two sets of columns Antoine: Table may be too long. <pmurray> This structure looks fine to me. I think it is a clear overview. Tom: Clarify: there is one table per cluster, and the example is the longest. Antoine: Just realized HTML version will benefit from numbering of sections. <jneubert> +1 to numbering <dvilasuero> +1 to numbering <pmurray> Yeah, we can adjust the numbering in the static HTML version. <Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to point out that References need to be deleted and replaced Tom: Wiki reference links need to be replaced with URLs. <scribe> ACTION: Emma to review Use Cases and make comments [recorded in [27]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu tes.html#action07] [DONE] [27] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action07 <tbaker> thanks for the great work, Daniel! Daniel: Thank you to Emmanuelle for the very helpful comments. <dvilasuero> thanks everyone Antoine: And thanks to Daniel. <scribe> ACTION: Chairs, Karen, Peter to migrate wiki content to HTML after wiki content is frozen on 25 August call [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minu tes.html#action16] [28] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minutes.html#action16 <scribe> --Continues <Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to point out that Jodi is part of that team now too <pmurray> Sounds good. Tom: We can continue to use Zakim in the Thursday slot; suggest report converters use this for discussion. ... I will take lead for this activity. <scribe> ACTION: Chairs to prepare press release with W3C [recorded in [29]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minu tes.html#action17] [29] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minutes.html#action17 <scribe> --Continues Emma: Can use format generally used in previous W3C press releases. <Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to address the issue of application profiles - [30]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0134.h tml [30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0134.html Tom: References to application profiles in the report are somewhat confused, and should be clarified. ... a substantial change; proposed in email. Jeff: Is there a better term to use instead of application profile? <Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to say I don't think the problem is with the term "application profile" <marcia> Tom's comments at: [31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0134.h tml [31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0134.html Tom: The problem is that the concept is not related to alignments (where it is currently referenced), but it is related closely to re-use of elements. <michaelp> +1 to Tom's explanation <jeff_> +1 Antoine: I will send some comments on the proposals via email immediately after this call, and allow an additional day of discussion. <kcoyle> +1 Antoine: No objections to proposal to rename Linking issues section. <marcia> fine either way Jeff: No objection. <tbaker> "Semantic interoperability of vocabularies"? Michael: "Interoperability" better than "Alignment"? Antoine: Will ensure alignment is appropriately defined in the report. <marcia> yes, we need another day to clear this up <Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to suggest we need a day to clear this up too... Antoine: Various tasks to complete, but nothing significant. TRANSITION TO W3C COMMUNITY GROUP Antoine: Little new to report; no strong leadership at this moment. <pmurray> We may want to see reaction to the report before seeing if there is a desire for a community group. CLOSE INCUBATOR GROUP AND HAND OVER TO PUBLICATION EDITORS Antoine: This was the final official telecon. We will continue over the next few weeks to finish off the report. <kcoyle> applause <emma> one last comment : thank you everyone !!!! Antoine: Fantastic work has been done; thank you everyone. <dvilasuero> thank you very much everyone!!! <marcia> A great team and a great year. Thanks the leaders and thank you everyone!!! <emma> great time working with you all <jeff_> Thanks to everyone, especially the chairs! <tbaker> Thank you everyone!! <pmurray> Great to see the conclusion. I think this will be a landmark report. Antoine: I hope we keep in touch ... <rsinger> yes, definitely - thanks so much chairs and everyone <michaelp> Great thanks to the chairs for shepherding the group! <tbaker> I think we're done! <rsinger> thanks! <marcia> Keep in touch! bye <jeff_> Bye! <jneubert> Thank all of you, and especially to the people working on the final steps <dvilasuero> bye!! Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Chair to solicit feedback from W3C contacts regarding the editor list issue. [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/25-lld-minu tes.html#action03] [PENDING] ACTION: Chairs to prepare press release with W3C [recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minu tes.html#action17] [PENDING] ACTION: Chairs, Karen, Peter to migrate wiki content to HTML after wiki content is frozen on 25 August call [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minu tes.html#action16] [33] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minutes.html#action17 [34] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minutes.html#action16 [DONE] ACTION: Emma to review Use Cases and make comments [recorded in [35]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu tes.html#action07] [DONE] ACTION: Karen and Emma to write a sentence in Scope adding cultural and memory institutions together in some way [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu tes.html#action03] [DONE] ACTION: Karen, Tom, Michael, and Gordon to write the executive summary [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu tes.html#action05] [DONE] ACTION: Ross to propose sentence in Benefits about sum being more than the parts [recorded in [38]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minu tes.html#action07] [DONE] ACTION: Tom and Antoine to draft acknowledgements. [recorded in [39]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minu tes.html#action06] [DONE] ACTION: Tom to post an announcement to the list that comment period has ended [recorded in [40]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minu tes.html#action03] [35] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action07 [36] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action03 [37] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action05 [38] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minutes.html#action07 [39] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minutes.html#action06 [40] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minutes.html#action03 [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [41]scribe.perl version 1.136 ([42]CVS log) $Date: 2011/08/25 16:57:49 $ [41] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [42] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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