- From: Ross Singer <ross.singer@talis.com>
- Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 17:06:04 -0400
- To: public-xg-lld <public-xg-lld@w3.org>
Hi everybody,
The minutes for today's meeting can be found at:
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/11-lld-minutes.html
A text version follows in this email.
Thanks for participating!
-Ross.
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
LLD XG
11 Aug 2011
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0026.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2011/08/11-lld-irc
Attendees
Present
antoine, kai, rsinger, kcoyle, marcia, Tom_Baker, jeff_,
emma_, edsu, rayd, kefo, jneubert, uldis
Regrets
Peter, Jodi, Monica
Chair
Emma
Scribe
Ross
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Minutes of previous telecons
2. [6]Admin
3. [7]COMMENTS RECEIVED
4. [8]FINAL DELIVERABLES
* [9]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<emma> Previous: 2011-08-04
[10]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html
[10] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html
<antoine> Scribe: Ross
<antoine> Scribenick: rsinger
Admin
Minutes of previous telecons PROPOSED: To accept
[11]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html
[11] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html
<antoine> RESOLVED: To accept
[12]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html
[12] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html
COMMENTS RECEIVED
-- Current, up-to-date compilation of all sections (note that
sections
must be edited separately)
[13]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTranscl
usion
[13] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTransclusion
[14]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html#action04]
[14] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html#action04
<antoine>
[15]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTranscl
usion-Multiple_Reports
[15] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTransclusion-Multiple_Reports
antoine: in general it seems alright
... could use input from others, but it's the right direction
emma: but it does include the new text from the vocabs section
antoine: prepared a shortened introduction that could replace the
longer one
... we can remove all of the sections of relevant datasets / put
them on the end?
... I know this is not all completely clear :)
kcoyle: the section of relevant technologies - none of those have
introductions; they're very concise
... I don't believe it would fit in that area, stylistically
<antoine> My shortened intro:
[16]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Dat
asets_Section2
[16] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_Section2
kcoyle: they are all very short statements, if there's more to be
said, it should be an area with more detail
antoine: karen has a point
emma: i would prefer it as an appendix, opinions?
channel: silence
antoine: so do we prefer the longer or shorter introductory text?
kcoyle: this goes with the appendix on datasets and vocabularies?
antoine: i can produce three different version
kcoyle: I don't know that that's necessary, if it's in the appendix
- we aren't limiting appendices' lengths
emma: I prefer the shorter version
kcoyle: the benefits we're keeping short, so people will read them
-- it makes sense to let the appendices be longer, if people want to
read them
<antoine> ACTION: Jodi to make an alternative transclusion [recorded
in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html#action04] [DONE]
[17] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html#action04
-- Maintained by volunteers responsible for acknowledging and
answering posted reviews
2011-07-23 to 2001-07-30: Daniel
2011-07-30 to 2001-08-11: Emma
2011-08-11 to 2001-08-18: ?
<scribe> ACTION: Emma to keep track of comments through AUG. 11
[recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html#action03] [DONE]
[18] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html#action03
emma: I did not include the vendors' comments in the tracking
process
<scribe> ACTION: Editors of each section should watch for
substantial comments to their section [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/30-lld-minu
tes.html#action06] [DONE]
[19] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action06
FINAL DELIVERABLES
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY (tbd)
-- [20]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ExecutiveSummary
[20] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ExecutiveSummary
emma: this was due last week
kcoyle: I sent out an outline last week, with no response. Last
night I wrote up a crude draft and it's in the transclusion, but
still needs work
<antoine>
[21]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTranscl
usion#Executive_Summary
[21] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTransclusion#Executive_Summary
kcoyle: but if there's something there, other people might edit it
emma: There's nothing in the version
<antoine> Newest
version:[22]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWit
hTransclusion-Multiple_Reports#Executive_Summary
[22] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTransclusion-Multiple_Reports#Executive_Summary
emma: this is the newest version, but Jodi said we should replace
the old version
kcoyle: adding the Executive Summary into it now
... typing....
... now in both versions
... but not very good
emma: This should get review and comments on the list
kcoyle: we need to determine how much detail to put into it
... And there should be another section, per TomB, about methodology
emma: Karen, could send a call on the list to solicit comments?
kcoyle: sure
<scribe> ACTION: Karen, Tom, Michael, and Gordon to write the
executive summary due in two weeks. [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu
tes.html#action05] [CONTINUES]
[23] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action05
"LIBRARY LINKED DATA": SCOPE OF THIS REPORT (Karen, Peter, Tom,
Gordon, Jodi)
--
[24]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Li
nked_Data.22:_Scope_of_this_report
[24] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Linked_Data.22:_Scope_of_this_report
antoine: back to the exec summary, I see that the benefits are under
the executive summary
TomB: do we have a clear action on the methodology section?
emma: No.
<antoine> kcoyle: the benefits are not in the executive summary
TomB: I would like to propose we have a paragraph or two about this
and you can give me an action
<scribe> ACTION: TomB to write the methodology paragraph [recorded
in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/11-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
emma: Any other comments?
... we can discuss the scope of the report
... We had a definition of "open data" which is now in discussion on
the list
... does anybody have any comments? Otherwise, discuss on the list.
... no comment, moving on to the Benefits section
<kai> I consider it important, but on the list is ok
emma: Benefits editors met on Tuesday: Ed, Emma and Tom (Ross
absent)
... We didn't change the structure of the section
... some rewriting, parts were unclear
... Added a few items
<emma_>
[26]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Benefi
ts&diff=5697&oldid=5271
[26] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Benefits&diff=5697&oldid=5271
emma: that is a diff between late July and today
... most are editorial, removed Stone Soup
scribe: benefits to researchers, benefits to organization, bottom
up/top down
... benefits to librarians: data semantics, data structures
... benefits to developers and vendors: small addition
kcoyle: there is a point where the part about semantics, "By making
a clean distinction ... linked data will be better". But it seems...
it's making "use of" the semantics, that sentence doesn't explain it
- it makes the distinction.
... if I think of something better, I'll make a change
emma: better standards, not better data
kcoyle: it makes me not understand that you want them both
<jeff_> how about "better vocabularies" rather than "better
standards"?
TomB: This is a point that Gordon was making: by making the
distinction between semantic syntax ; it makes the standards
independent of the encoding or serialization
... it's not intended to imply that it's not important, how to make
standards that are more durable by making them independent of any
data structure
kcoyle: that's not clear in the present wording
TomB: if that's not coming out, please add some ideas
<scribe> ACTION: Editors of BENEFITS to meet and work on the
comments. [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html#action07] [DONE]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html#action07
<scribe> ACTION: Karen will track items from former "issues" and
"recommendations" that belong to benefits [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html#action08] [DONE]
[28] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html#action08
AVAILABLE VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS (Antoine, Jeff, Marcia, William)
--
[29]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Dat
asets_Section
[29] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_Section
emma: Any comments?
<antoine> no!
emma: This is a set item, we can move on
RELEVANT TECHNOLOGIES (Jeff) --
[30]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technol
ogies
[30] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technologies
emma: This is now an appendix at the end
<antoine> we can drop the first action
emma: any comments on the two actions in the section?
<scribe> ACTION: everybody to scrutinize the relevant technologies
to solve the issue of mixing different levels [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu
tes.html#action09] [DROPPED]
[31] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action09
emma: Jeff any update on your other action?
... no news (is good news)
<antoine> s/US/UC
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff to integrate more refined view of
non-resolvable URIs and linking. [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu
tes.html#action08] [CONTINUES]
[32] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action08
emma: we can use the rest of the time to discuss the Social UC
... and push the other topics to next week
uldis: we have completed the social use case cluster , the use cases
are completed
... and there are summaries
<emma_>
[33]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Social_Uses#Sc
enarios_.28Case_Studies.29
[33] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Social_Uses#Scenarios_.28Case_Studies.29
uldis: we are looking forward to feedback and suggestions
emma: We need to include the new stuff in the use case report, I
don't think it's been done
<antoine> it's done, as a draft
uldis: Yes, I think it was there already, but it needs to be
verified
... need to contact Daniel to add summary
<emma_>
[34]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport#Social_a
nd_new_uses
[34] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport#Social_and_new_uses
emma: is this overlapping with your new pages?
<uldis>
[35]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport#Social_a
nd_new_uses_2
[35] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport#Social_and_new_uses_2
uldis: that is the extracted summaries, possibly more of a draft
form. The use cases are finished, but the summaries are more
draft-ish
... Not a full list of use cases
... there are 4 that still need to be summarized
emma: would you add these 4 to the use case report? Or would you
prefer Daniel to do it?
<antoine> I think Uldis and Jodi could take care of it.
uldis: it would be good to add, if Daniel could do it, it would be a
fresh view
<antoine> ...I'm not sure he's really around the coming days...
<scribe> ACTION: Uldis, Jodi and Daniel to include the Social Use
cases to the final report [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/11-lld-minu
tes.html#action11]
<uldis> here are Social and Emergent Use Cases themselves:
<uldis>
[37]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Social_Uses#Sc
enarios_.28Case_Studies.29
[37] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Social_Uses#Scenarios_.28Case_Studies.29
emma: we only have 5 minutes, so I'm not sure it's worth discussing
the challenges and barriers section
<uldis> there were also changes to the Social Uses Cluster page
<uldis> mainly in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Social_Uses#Pr
oblems_and_Limitations + relevant technologies / vocabs
[38] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Social_Uses#Problems_and_Limitations
antoine: There are some comments that have not been addressed, but
that will not make it shorter
<marcia> Linking across datasets has begun but requires further
effort and coordination
kcoyle: the linking across datasets is long and detailed and does
fit into the other sections
... the details should be moved to the appendix
antoine: that may actually unbalance the appendix
kcoyle: there should be one, short explanatory paragraph for each
point
antoine: paragraphs around data availability won't change? or won't
change much?
TomB: I wanted to add that the data availability points do belong in
that section, but they don't fit with the rest of the section
... it's not that i think it's too long, but it belongs there in a
shorter form
... moving it to the appendix would solve the problem
emma: any other topics for today?
... meeting adjourned.
<jneubert> thanks and bye
<marcia> thanks
<kefo> bye
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: TomB to write the methodology paragraph [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/11-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Uldis, Jodi and Daniel to include the Social Use cases
to the final report [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/11-lld-minu
tes.html#action11]
[PENDING] ACTION: Jeff to integrate more refined view of
non-resolvable URIs and linking. [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu
tes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: Karen, Tom, Michael, and Gordon to write the
executive summary due in two weeks. [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu
tes.html#action05]
[41] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action08
[42] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action05
[DONE] ACTION: Editors of each section should watch for substantial
comments to their section [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/30-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
[DONE] ACTION: Jodi to make an alternative transclusion [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html#action04]
[DONE] ACTION: Karen will track items from former "issues" and
"recommendations" that belong to benefits [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html#action08]
[DONE] ACTION: Editors of BENEFITS to meet and work on the comments.
[recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/11-lld-minu
tes.html#action07]
[DONE] ACTION: Emma to keep track of comments through AUG. 11
[recorded in [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/11-lld-minu
tes.html#action03]
[43] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action06
[44] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html#action04
[45] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html#action08
[DROPPED] ACTION: everybody to scrutinize the relevant technologies
to solve the issue of mixing different levels [recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu
tes.html#action09]
[48] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action09
[End of minutes]
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