- From: Emmanuelle Bermes <emmanuelle.bermes@bnf.fr>
- Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 06:35:58 +0200
- To: public-xg-lld <public-xg-lld@w3.org>
I just just realized we didn't circulate last week's minutes. Sorry for the delay. They're at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/09-lld-minutes.html Text version attached Emmanuelle ********** Text version ************* [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ LLD XG 09 Sep 2010 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Sep/0058.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2010/09/09-lld-irc Attendees Present Tom Baker, Emmanuelle Bermes, Felix Sasaki, Bernard Vatant, Gordon Dunsire, Karen Coyle, Alexander Haffner, Andras Micsik, Wolfgang Halb, Marcia Zeng, Jonathan Rees, Joachim Neubert, Ross Singer, Jeff Young, Michael Panzer, Lars G. Svensson, Guenther Neher, William Waites, kefo Regrets Jodi, Anette, Joachim, Monica, Kim, Antoine Chair Tom Scribe Bernard Contents * [4]Topics * [5]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ marma hi, I'm following this only via IRC (Martin Malmsten from KB, Stockholm) TomB Previous: [6]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/02-lld-minut es.html [6] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/02-lld-minutes.html TomB Scribe: Bernard TomB scribenick: bernard Topic: Admin RESOLUTION: accept previous telecon minutes Topic : next meetings - F2F in Pittsburgh TomB: will circulate more information about F2F ... will need improvisation about phone and projector ... ... agenda is on the wiki emma draft agenda for F2F : [7]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F_Pittsburgh [7] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F_Pittsburgh TomB ACTION: Potential attendees in Pittsburgh to use wiki page to indicate whether they are attending or not at [8]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F recorded in [9]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES] [8] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F [9] http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html#action01 scribe ACTION: Potential attendees in Pittsburgh to use wiki page to indicate whether they are attending or not at [10]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F recorded in [11]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/09-lld-minutes.html#action03] [10] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F [11] http://www.w3.org/2010/09/09-lld-minutes.html#action03 TomB: informal meeting in Cologne Informal meeting of XG members at SWBIB 2010 on the morning of 1 December - contact Joachim Neubert Topic : Use cases and case studies - update TomB: For next week telecon pick two use cases for detailed discussion emma ACTION: By Monday Sept. 6 members should add to list of email lists at [12]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Dissemination_Lists [recorded in [13]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/02-lld-minu tes.html#action05] [DONE] [12] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Dissemination_Lists [13] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/02-lld-minutes.html#action05 emma ACTION: Group to comment on email text at [14]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Call_Mail by Monday, Sept. 6 [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/02-lld-minu tes.html#action06] [DONE] [14] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Call_Mail [15] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/02-lld-minutes.html#action06 emma ACTION: Everyone to elaborate on topics in the wiki [recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minu tes.html#action08] [16] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action08 Topic : RDA emma --CONTINUE emma ACTION: Gordon will prepare something on RDA, FRBR etc. for discussion in Sept. agenda [recorded in [17]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minu tes.html#action06] [DONE] [17] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html#action06 -- To be discussed: [18]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_standards_and_ linked_data [18] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_standards_and_linked_data Topic : GordonD presentation of [19]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_standards_and_ linked_data [19] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_standards_and_linked_data TomB Within IFLA, new technical group for namespaces, coordination of standards in SW framwork, etc - will report to new core activity that resurrects something abandoned a few years ago - concept of universal bibliographic control. One or two months. GordonD no formal connection between FRBR and RDA activities TomB ... special interest group for SW issues. Producing mappings beyond IFLA, e.g. for RDA, remains semi-formal - no formal orgn looking at mappings with RDA. Only joint membership in activities. GordonDPublication of standards in RDF not synchronized TomB ... Trying to convey complexity of issues - if we are to get these standards to work together effectively. GordonD Issues section gathers issues discussed in both groups ... Constrained versus unconstrained properties and classes is the main issue ... GordonDno specification of constraints in RDA ... emma pressure from non-lib community for unconstrained properties but RDA, JSC and IFLA groups are convinced that constrained versions ar necessary emma recent IFLA meeting consider publishing unconstrained versions, linked with constrained ones. matolat zakim michaelp.a is matolat TomB Gordon: IFLA persuaded, JSC coming around - have indicated they will not block unconstrained properties. kcoyle another issue has to do with the way constraints are expressed and how they are enforced in applications ... not sure the RDA method actually works GordonD constraints are not enforced on applications ... constraints are useful to check legacy data kcoyle there is a sort a contradiction there TomB Gordon: They are constraints on _inferences_. Powerful if you consider there may be billions of triples eventually. Records can be "filled in" using inferences. GordonD I won't call them "unformal" constraints Zakim michaelp, you wanted to talk about constraints GordonD We need more technical investigation Michaelp there is a bit of confusion about constraints and validation ... In OWL the constraints are enabling, not restricting ... There are different of constraints like in XML schemas GordonD Indeed a big deal of confusion in this area ... RDA wants to be validated as a schema ... but also enabling as Michaelp has pointed Jeff_ The same model can be used either as a schema, either as enabling depending on the use case kcoyle we should clarify which constraints we are speaking about GordonD There are a lot of value constraints in RDA emma Karen : RDA primary constraints are about constraining a property to a FRBR entity, not the values GordonD RDA should keep its own versions of FRBR constraints ... TomB move on to next topics ... port this discussion to F2F jeff_ +1 mzrcia +1 AlexanderH +1 GordonD next topic is "Application profiles or OWL ontologies" emma GordonD : ISBD elements have a sequence + indicate if mandatory or not, so need for application profile GordonD What LLD can bring is clarification of when using application profiles and when using OWL Topic: Use of published properties and classes GordonD How can library comunity be made aware of and re-use widely used classes and properties? Need to acknowledge overlap between libray and "open Web" classes and properties Zakim emma, you wanted to suggest the need to encourage the use of widespread standards emma Agreed with GordonD ... it's very much an issue of trust ... mzrcia FRSAD intent to use skos semantic relationships instead of repeating to define them LLD should encourage library community not to be shy about this use Zakim TomB, you wanted to suggest additional attention to "alignment" - mappings and "identity links" between vocabularies emma library community not used to multiplicity of representations jeff_ Gordon, you should add OWL to the list of DC, FOAF, SKOS at [20]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_standards_and_ linked_data#Use_of_published_properties_and_classes [20] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_standards_and_linked_data#Use_of_published_properties_and_classes GordonD Jeff, will do marcia: We have already actions on declaring relationships using "sameAs" or "equivalent classes" mzrcia using SKOS secmantic relationships mzrcia such as broader, narrower... between themas GordonD: The library community should not be churlish in saying "not invented here" ... Elements coming from the library models will be useful elsewhere also mzrcia I was also into the discussion of reusing/borrowing the associative relationships between concepts/topics defined by the Getty vocabulary GordonD How can LLD can have action on milestones in this area? ... Library linked-data and legacy records ... potential to generate billions of instances ... GordonD copyright is a critical issue here ... emma GordonD : Need from LLD community to encourage freeing the data It's a political issue (How can libraries be encouraged to "free" their records?) GordonD Technical infrastructure ... emma Library system vendors will only change if customers ask for it How are vendors to see the ROI? Topic: Duplication and identifiers GordonD identifying different records for the same thing is also a big issue .. ... Library culture ... ... sociological barriers to address ... rsinger GordonD++ #awesome emma +1, Thanks GordonD ! mzrcia +1, Gordon! LarsG +1 GordonD, Great! TomB +1 great summary of the issues! GordonD All, thanks! TomB: a lot of congratulations to Gordon! Summary of Action Items [PENDING] ACTION: Everyone to elaborate on topics in the wiki [recorded in [21]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minu tes.html#action08] [PENDING] ACTION: Potential attendees in Pittsburgh to use wiki page to indicate whether they are attending or not at [22]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/08/26-lld-minu tes.html#action01] [DONE] ACTION: By Monday Sept. 6 members should add to list of email lists at [24]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Dissemination_Lists [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/02-lld-minu tes.html#action05] [DONE] ACTION: Gordon will prepare something on RDA, FRBR etc. for discussion in Sept. agenda [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minu tes.html#action06] [DONE] ACTION: Group to comment on email text at [27]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Call_Mail by Monday, Sept. 6 [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/02-lld-minu tes.html#action06] [21] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action08 [22] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F [23] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html#action01 [24] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Dissemination_Lists [25] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/02-lld-minutes.html#action05 [26] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html#action06 [27] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Call_Mail [28] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/02-lld-minutes.html#action06 [End of minutes] -- ===== Emmanuelle Bermès - http://www.bnf.fr Manue - http://www.figoblog.org
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