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[minutes] Introduction to XG life + various pointers

From: Coralie Mercier <coralie@w3.org>
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 10:21:21 +0200
Cc: public-xg-lld@w3.org, team-xg-activity <team-xg-activity@w3.org>
To: "Emmanuelle Bermes" <emmanuelle.bermes@bnf.fr>, "Tom Baker" <tbaker@tbaker.de>, "Antoine Isaac" <aisaac@few.vu.nl>
Message-ID: <op.vc3lhvensvvqwp@sith.local>

Dear Emmanuelle, Tom, Antoine,

I have cleaned up the minutes of our call of yesterday, and inserted  
topics to match the structure of what we discussed.

I have not linked them from anywhere, I'll let you do that in your  
preferred webspace. You may also not link it, since it's introductory. It  
is going to be available from the public-xg-lld@w3.org archive.

I will get back to you later on the questions that were raised yesterday.

The minutes are public and are on the Web:

For convenience, the scribe also sends the content as text (see at the  
In order to get the text, just append ,text (comma text) at the end of the  
minutes URI, and press enter, copy the resulting web page into e-mail.

I promised to give a few links. Here they are:

The XG Chair guide:

Participants of the Decision XG, via the Working Group Database:

The W3C teleconference calendar:

The Zakim teleconference IRC agent:

The RRSAgent IRC bot:

Your wiki:

If you have any sort of question, please, let me know.

Best regards,

And the text version for convenience:


       [1] http://www.w3.org/

                         Introduction to XG life

21 May 2010

    See also: [2]IRC log

       [2] http://www.w3.org/2010/05/21-lld-irc


           koalie, Antoine, Emmanuelle, Tom




      * [3]Topics
           + [4]Requesting an additional mailing list
           + [5]CVS access, minute formatting tool, Tracker
           + [6]Joining Semantic Web Coordination Group?
           + [7]Balance between Member participants and IEs
      * [8]Summary of Action Items


    give me a minute and I'll be on the call

    <Emmanuelle> hi


       [9] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Main_Page

Requesting an additional mailing list

    <antoine> [10]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/SKOS

      [10] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/SKOS

    <antoine> [11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/

      [11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/

    <antoine> +1 with what TomB is going to say!

    TomB: I would like an additional list, called something like

    <TomB> public-xhtml2@w3.org

    <TomB> List Purpose: This is the public mailing list for the XHTML2
    Working Group.

    antoine: public-lld would be specific to the xg even in public

    antoine: the other would be community oriented, and not pulluted by
    group administration

    <TomB> public-rdfa@w3.org and public-rdfa-wg@w3.org

    Tom: want to limit participation to people who are actively
    contributing and writing deliverables
    ... for people who are interested in the work of the group, we want
    to give then a channel
    ... like done in RDFa
    ... and this is used as a community list
    ... It would be helpful to have a second public list

    <antoine> [12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-esw-thes/
    was used as the community-oriented list next to

      [12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-esw-thes/
      [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/

    coralie: the public-xg-lld can survive the XG
    ... we don't need to close it.
    ... I'll ask about your second list and will report.

CVS access, minute formatting tool, Tracker

    Antoine: in SWD we had access to a part of w3.org

    Tom: CVS access

    Coralie: Will you need CVS access?
    ... you can have CVS access

    Antoine: We can start with the wiki

    Tom: I think we need a web page

    <TomB> Coralie: To get CVS acccess, send me your SSH public key.

    Coralie: I'm the one helping you with CVS access, just provide me
    with your SSH public key

    <TomB> Coralie is breaking up...


      [14] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/xg-guide.html

    Emmanuelle: I'll have to learn how to use IRC and Zakim

    <TomB> Antoine: Qst about minutes of meeting. rrsagent, please draft
    minutes, then corrected. After that, meetings were put in W3C space.
    Should we put on wiki or in W3C space?

    <TomB> Coralie: Either space. Some prefer to write only in wiki. No

    <TomB> ... Scribe tools will work the same as in SWD.

    <TomB> [15]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/Scribing.html

      [15] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/Scribing.html

    <Zakim> TomB, you wanted to ask whether the OWL2 minutes tool is

    <TomB> I wrote a guide to setting up a telecon on Zakim - see

    [antoine looks for the OWL2 minutes tool link]

    <antoine> [16]http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2009-05-27

      [16] http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2009-05-27

    <TomB> [17]http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-10

      [17] http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-10

    formatted by commonscribe

    <kooalie> [18]CommonScribe

      [18] http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/

    Coralie: feel free to use any minute formatting tool, really no
    expectation from us

    <TomB> +1 Antoine to use simple minutes

    <Zakim> TomB, you wanted to ask about issue tracker

    <Emmanuelle> +1 to use simple minutes

    Tom: We might need one later.

    <TomB> Everyone still out there?

    Antoine: the end of the XG guide gives instructions on how to
    request a tracker.

Joining Semantic Web Coordination Group?

    <Zakim> TomB, you wanted to ask whether XG Chairs will automatically
    join SWCG

    <TomB> Semantic Web Coordination Group

    <TomB> and chairs@w3.org?

    Coralie: I don't know, I'll ask.

    Tom: I'm already part of it. I believe I can stay on. The question
    is whether Antoine and Emmanuelle they can join that group,
    ... and the question to them is whether they want to be part of that
    ... it's not mandatory, but it's interesting.

    Coralie: I'll let you discuss about the latter, and I'll ask about
    the former.

    Tom: It provides a way to keep in touch with major milestones.

    Coralie: re: chairs@w3.org yes that will be automatic.

Balance between Member participants and IEs

    Tom: I have a question on how any Invited Experts we can expect to
    have in the XG
    ... We'll proceed cautiously with IEs

    Coralie: Yes
    ... IE applications are approved by Mauro Nunez (also reviewed by
    W3C Management)
    ... keeping a balance is good
    ... no clear-cut answer, it's really case by case, if you need many

    Tom: library world is big
    ... Many are not Members

    Emmanuelle: Libraries in universities
    ... Some can be persuaded to join later, like BNF

    [Coralie was going to make the same point]

    Tom: XG is a good way to recruit new Members, by getting them
    ... We'll see how it goes.


Summary of Action Items

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