[LLD-XG] Issues with attendee lists (was: Re: Minutes of 2010-06-10 LLD meeting) from Antoine Isaac on 2010-06-11 (public-xg-lld@w3.org from June 2010)

From: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:50:13 +0200
To: public-xg-lld@w3.org
Message-ID: <4C124D25.7020904@few.vu.nl>
Hi everyone,

I've received a complaint from Andras about this week's minutes. He had been forgotten from the participant list. This was a mistake of us, which is now fixed. Thanks Andras for spotting it!

As a matter of fact with a high number of participants it's quite difficult for us to chair and be involved in spotting who is here or not, and who is behind all these masked numbers Zakim sends us (e.g., a line with 03315379aadd at [1]). Even with the help of our telecon-savvy participants (thanks to you, by the way!)...

There are however a number of steps which could make it easier, for the ones here new to this type of conference call--and even for the more experienced: I know it took me quite a while to get it right ;-)

-  try to log in the IRC channel first, so that you get a chance to spot your phone number displayed by Zakim when you call in. If you're not on IRC, you will not see a line like  "14:00:53 [Zakim] + +03315379aadd" which announces your successfully dialing in.

- try to announce yourself (or answer to our "who just joined?" question) when you call in, so that someone already on the conference can type a line that identifies you "13:58:39 [antoine] zakim, aaaa is william".

- pay attention to the output of Zakim in the IRC: quite often in the call, we will type the magic question "zakim, who is on the phone?" resulting in Zakim's giving all participants ("13:56:42 [Zakim] On the phone I see antoine, michaelp, Tom, michaelp.a"). If you are not clearly identified there, please say it in the call, we'll try to fix it.

Cheers,

Antoine

[1] http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-lld-irc

> Hi Antoine,
>
> I was present, because my planned duties were cancelled.
> Please remove me from the regrets line.
>
> thanks,
> Andras
>
> 6/11/2010 4:07 PM keltezéssel, Antoine Isaac írta:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> The minutes taken by Jon this week are available at:
>>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/10-lld-minutes.html
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Antoine
>>
>>
>> Following W3C practice, text version follows:
>>
>> ====
>>
>> [1]W3C
>>
>> [1] http://www.w3.org/
>>
>> LLD XG
>>
>> 10 Jun 2010
>>
>> [2]Agenda
>>
>> [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Jun/0035.html
>>
>> See also: [3]IRC log
>>
>> [3] http://www.w3.org/2010/06/10-lld-irc
>>
>> Attendees
>>
>> Present
>> antoine, Tom, jeff, kai, +0789798aaaa, jodi, jneubert,
>> michaelp, +0361279aacc, +03315379aadd, emmanuelle_, andras,
>> JonP, ray, rsinger, kim, alexander, edsu, [IPcaller],
>> fsasaki, ahoughton, ww, +1.330.289.aaee, Oreste, marcia,
>> GordonD, +049238aaff, Nico
>>
>> Regrets
>> Bernard, Carlo, Andras, Dickson, Jonathan, Fumiihiro,
>> Wolfgang, Felix, Stu, Michael
>>
>> Chair
>> Tom
>>
>> Scribe
>> JonP
>>
>> Contents
>>
>> * [4]Topics
>> 1. [5]Administrative
>> 2. [6]Use Cases
>> 3. [7]Karen Demo
>> 4. [8]Next steps
>> 5. [9]telecons
>> 6. [10]summer telecons
>> 7. [11]Face 2 face
>> * [12]Summary of Action Items
>> _________________________________________________________
>>
>> <TomB> Previous:
>> [13]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minu
>> tes.html
>>
>> [13]
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minutes.html
>>
>> <mhausenblas> I have to send last minutes regrets, sorry
>>
>> <ww> could someone remind me of the keybindings for mute/unmute?
>>
>> <jodi> ww: Conferees can mute themselves by dialing 61#. In that
>> case, unmute is 60#.
>>
>> <jodi> ww: from [14]http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot
>>
>> [14] http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot
>>
>> <ww> jodi: ty
>>
>> <digikim> hello
>>
>> <digikim> ok, I just called in
>>
>> <digikim> Kim Viljanen
>>
>> <TomB> Scribe: JonP
>>
>> <TomB> Scribenick: JonP
>>
>> <digikim> (first time using this + first time calling with skype to
>> ordinary phone so still learning + first time installed skype on
>> this new computer, so configuration not done) :)
>>
>> <AlexanderH> 61#
>>
>> [15]http://www.mibbit.com/chat/#lld@irc.w3.org:6665
>>
>> [15] http://www.mibbit.com/chat/#lld@irc.w3.org:6665
>>
>> <edsu> JonP: tweet it
>>
>> <Nico> hi everyone
>>
>> <jodi> Or -- with the channel Mibbit direct link to share with those
>> not on IRC:
>> [16]http://www.mibbit.com/chat/?server=irc.w3.org:6665&channel=%23ll
>> d
>>
>> [16] http://www.mibbit.com/chat/?server=irc.w3.org:6665&channel=%23lld
>>
>> <Nico> I'm trying to join telecon :)
>>
>> <digikim> I'm using [17]http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc -- working
>> ok (didn't have time to join by my ordinary irc client)
>>
>> [17] http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc
>>
>> <digikim> must I mute myself also from the phone conference system
>> or is skype mute enough?
>>
>> <kai> if your line is not noisy, skype mute should be ok
>>
>> <digikim> kai: ok, great
>>
>> Administrative
>>
>> RESOLUTION: accept minutes of previous telecon
>>
>> <Nico> I can't join the conference room
>>
>> <jodi> Those minutes are here btw:
>> [18]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minu
>> tes.html
>>
>> [18]
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minutes.html
>>
>> <antoine> [19]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Telecons
>>
>> [19] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Telecons
>>
>> Antoine: discussing generated minutes process
>>
>> <Nico> code has changed since last week ?
>>
>> TomB: Part of our routine should be to include a link in the minutes
>> to the wiki page
>> ... Introductions redux
>>
>> <digikim> I was not
>>
>> <jodi> yes, I was here last time
>>
>> <ahoughton> Andrew Houghton, OCLC
>>
>> <digikim> hello all & world :)
>>
>> <kai> I was here but did not introduce myself
>>
>> <antoine> William: Open knowledge foundation
>>
>> <GordonD> i.m currently working with rdf representations of frbr,
>> frad and isbd (ifla standards) and rda, vmf and other related stuff
>> - i'm also a practicing cataloguer of 25 years experience
>>
>> <jneubert> Joachim Neubert, German National Library of Economics
>>
>> <jodi> (please add to action items -- "send introduction to
>> listserv" -- and specify which one ;) )
>>
>> TomB: mailing lists
>>
>> <gneher> Guenther Neher, Universitiy of Applied Sciences Potsdam,
>> interested in educational aspects
>>
>> <digikim> Kim Viljanen, Aalto University (Helsinki, Finland);
>> interested in Linked Open Data; ontology repositories; our research
>> group has been working on e.g. cultural heritage, health,
>> government, etc etc + ontologies + apps + etc
>>
>> TomB: 2 lists, one specifically focused on the work of the XG
>>
>> <digikim> [20]http://www.seco.tkk.fi (our research group: Semantic
>> Computing Research Group SeCo)
>>
>> [20] http://www.seco.tkk.fi/
>>
>> <Nico> yes I am in
>>
>> TomB: the other is completely open for community participation
>> ... cross-posting is encouraged
>>
>> <scribe> ACTION: All group members should please post and
>> introduction to
>> [21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld recorded in
>> [22]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/10-lld-minu
>> tes.html#action01]
>>
>> [21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld
>>
>> <antoine> ACTION: Antoine to clean up mailing list on
>> [23]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/ recorded in
>> [24]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minu
>> tes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]
>>
>> [23] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/
>> [24]
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minutes.html#action01
>>
>>
>>
>> <digikim> :)
>>
>> <digikim> who is an experienced scribent?
>>
>> TomB: scribing duties will rotate. Everyone scribes unless Tom
>> grants an indulgence
>>
>> Use Cases
>>
>> <jodi> Here is said email:
>> [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Jun/0040.h
>> tml
>>
>> [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Jun/0040.html
>>
>> Antoine: sent a message to start the process of gathering use cases
>>
>> <digikim> (antoine's sound is slightly distorted... difficult to
>> hear...)
>>
>> <Zakim> antoine, you wanted to add actions
>>
>> <digikim> I can hear you
>>
>> Antoine: key is feedback from the broader community for
>> incorporation into the use case document
>>
>> <Zakim> jneubert, you wanted to ask about the type of use cases
>>
>> jneubert: challenging or typical use cases?
>>
>> Antoine: both -- open to both kinds
>>
>> <Zakim> emmanuelle_, you wanted to ask about use case methodology
>>
>> Antoine: We will write the use cases ourselves based on gathered use
>> cases from the community
>>
>> <TomB> Semantic Web Usage Cases:
>> [26]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/
>>
>> [26] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/
>>
>> emmanuelle_: should the use cases follow the form of the semantic
>> web use cases
>>
>> <Zakim> TomB, you wanted to suggest that SWEO use cases might set
>> the bar too high
>>
>> Antoine: we should focus on use cases more specific to our community
>>
>> TomB: the SWEO use cases are quite polished
>> ... and may be more than we need
>> ... we want to capture work in progress, as problems emerge, and are
>> simpler/shorter than SWEO
>>
>> <ahoughton> +1
>>
>> <jeff> +1
>>
>> <oreste> +1
>>
>> <gneher> +1
>>
>> <fsasaki> +1
>>
>> Antoine: consensus seems to be emerging :-)
>>
>> <edsu> +1
>>
>> <jneubert> i'd love to contribute
>>
>> <GordonD> i am happy to contribute some embryonic use cases
>>
>> michaelp: contributing or curating use cases?
>>
>> <kcoyle> [27]http://dublincore.org/dcmirdataskgroup/ has some
>> cataloging use cases/ site seems down
>>
>> [27] http://dublincore.org/dcmirdataskgroup/
>>
>> <digikim> Antoine: I would be interested, but I'm not yet completely
>> sure about the goals of this XG (first meeting for me today)
>>
>> <Nico> Do we focus on library use cases or "border lines" are
>> accepted too ?
>>
>> Antoine: it depends on who is interested. We should first determine
>> who will be performing the editor role
>>
>> <TomB> [28]http://dublincore.org/dcmirdataskgroup/ is available
>>
>> [28] http://dublincore.org/dcmirdataskgroup/
>>
>> <jodi> kai++ framing details useful
>>
>> <Zakim> kai, you wanted to recommend as first step some framing
>> details about the use cases to gather
>>
>> <GordonD> Has the bristol bridge gone down - I've been cut off
>>
>> Antoine: it would seem that the XG wouldn't restrict the use cases
>> initially
>>
>> <oreste> I think we should emphasize the usefulness of Linked Data
>> in multidisciplinary approach. In this sense, border line UC should
>> be considered
>>
>> <TomB> +1 that the first step should be to define the framework for
>> use cases
>>
>> <emmanuelle_> +1
>>
>> <Andras> Gordon: I am also using Bristol
>>
>> kai: we should decide whether we want to create a template for
>> submitted use cases
>> ... as a first step. There is one that could be used from the Prov
>> XG
>>
>> <jodi> oreste++ very interested in supporting collaboration outside
>> library+obvious partners
>>
>> <ww> GordonD: I am on the bristol bridge, no problems here
>>
>> <scribe> ACTION: Antoine and Kai to prepare a template for use
>> cases. Kai to contibute a template from the provenance group
>> [recorded in
>> [29]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/10-lld-minu
>> tes.html#action03]
>>
>> Antoine: is the timeline in the agenda acceptable?
>>
>> <AlexanderH> +1
>>
>> TomB: suggest we consider this a strawman timeline and refine as we
>> go
>>
>> <jeff> +1
>>
>> <kai> +1
>>
>> Karen Demo
>>
>> <digikim> +1
>>
>> karen: we need something that we can use to take the lld work on the
>> road
>>
>> KCoyle: looking to create some visualizations and presentations
>>
>> <rsinger> can you reuse things on slideshare?
>>
>> <rsinger> i mean, individual slides...
>>
>> TomB: Powerpoint? First step is to create a wiki page and upload
>> existing presentations
>>
>> <kai> +1 for openoffice
>>
>> <edsu> yeah, maybe not ... i guess just putting them on the wiki is
>> fine
>>
>> <AlexanderH> you can download slides as registered user
>>
>> TomB: an opportunity to create public slides, Creative Commons
>> attribution to this group
>>
>> <jodi> edsu: I think putting them on the wiki, and copying elsewhere
>> (e.g. slideshare) would be useful
>>
>> <edsu> it's a really good idea
>>
>> <oreste> openoffice or slidy (and having a pdf version, too)
>>
>> <antoine> I wonder whether slideshare license policy is compatible
>> with W3C one
>>
>> <scribe> ACTION: TomB and KCoyle will create a page for
>> presentations and will upload some slides [recorded in
>> [30]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/10-lld-minu
>> tes.html#action04]
>>
>> <edsu> so i don't have to make any slides for my presentation next
>> week :-)
>>
>> <rsinger> edsu++ # that was my plan, too
>>
>> <jodi> ah, slidy is awesome:
>> [31]http://www.w3.org/Talks/Tools/Slidy/ -- can link to particular
>> slides
>>
>> [31] http://www.w3.org/Talks/Tools/Slidy/
>>
>> <ww> jodi: +1
>>
>> <edsu> rsinger: ok we've got laziness down, now we just need some
>> hubris and impatience :-)
>>
>> KCoyle: presentations in multiple formats, multiple languages, some
>> simpler than others
>> ... trying to present familiar information in an unfamiliar way
>>
>> Next steps
>>
>> <jodi> wiki page:
>> [32]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Topics
>>
>> [32] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Topics
>>
>> TomB: we have a wiki page that is a brain dump of relevant topics
>> ... everyone should feel free to use the wiki to add items to the
>> list
>> ... we should be looking to consolidate some of these items into
>> task groups
>>
>> telecons
>>
>> TomB: we should hold June telecons even though it can be tough for
>> some of us
>>
>> summer telecons
>>
>> TomB: there's a doodle link for people to indicate availability for
>> July and August
>>
>> <digikim> Antoine: +1
>>
>> <scribe> ACTION: ALL: Flag July/August availability at
>> [33]http://www.doodle.com/hvwb4fe4x2kdq3cy recorded in
>> [34]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minu
>> tes.html#action03] [CONTINUES]
>>
>> [33] http://www.doodle.com/hvwb4fe4x2kdq3cy
>> [34]
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minutes.html#action03
>>
>>
>>
>> <edsu> only a handful of people on
>> [35]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Topics
>> &action=history
>>
>> [35]
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Topics&action=history
>>
>>
>>
>> <antoine> ACTION: ALL: Edit the topics for our work at the wiki:
>> [36]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Topics recorded in
>> [37]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minu
>> tes.html#action02] [CONTINUES]
>>
>> [36] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Topics
>> [37]
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minutes.html#action02
>>
>>
>>
>> <edsu> tbaker, ebermes, mzeng, jschneider, jneubert
>>
>> <jeff> +1
>>
>> <antoine> +1
>>
>> <rsinger> +1
>>
>> <ww> +1
>>
>> <emmanuelle_> +1
>>
>> <kai> +1
>>
>> <digikim> +1
>>
>> <AlexanderH> +1
>>
>> <scribe> ACTION: ALL: members of the XG please add your name to the
>> topics list to indicate where their interests lie [recorded in
>> [38]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/10-lld-minu
>> tes.html#action07]
>>
>> Face 2 face
>>
>> <digikim> is the travel costs funded by W3C or our own
>> organizations? (newbie question)
>>
>> <antoine> no :-(
>>
>> <antoine> it should be your own org
>>
>> <digikim> ok
>>
>> TOMB: propose meeting be held Saturday and Sunday 2324 October in
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> <antoine> ... but we link it to a nice motivating pair of
>> conferences :-)
>>
>> <digikim> antoine: yep, noticed :)
>>
>> <jodi> colocated with ASIST: [39]http://www.asis.org/asist2010/ and
>> DC2010: [40]http://www.asis.org/Conferences/DC2010/
>>
>> [39] http://www.asis.org/asist2010/
>> [40] http://www.asis.org/Conferences/DC2010/
>>
>> <Zakim> antoine, you wanted to comment on SWIB conf
>>
>> <scribe> ACTION: ALL: group members please indicate your
>> availability for the proposed F2F meeting in a Doodle poll:
>> [41]http://www.doodle.com/gaipzmfc7xp9f4zq recorded in
>> [42]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/10-lld-minu
>> tes.html#action08]
>>
>> [41] http://www.doodle.com/gaipzmfc7xp9f4zq
>>
>> <edsu> shoot, overlaps with ipres this year
>>
>> <kcoyle> the one in koln?
>>
>> <TomB> edsu, when is ipres?
>>
>> <digikim> Antoine: SWIB 2010 would be good meeting place
>>
>> <kai> +1 for SWIB
>>
>> <jodi> SWIB 2010:
>> [43]http://swib.org/swib10/e_call-for-participation.html
>>
>> [43] http://swib.org/swib10/e_call-for-participation.html
>>
>> <kai> Someone on JCDL/ICALD?
>>
>> <edsu> +1 for SWIB as parallel venue
>>
>> <digikim> (antoine: no I was trying to suggest ISWC as an additional
>> possibility)
>>
>> <Andras> or ECDL 2010: [44]http://www.ecdl2010.org/ ?
>>
>> [44] http://www.ecdl2010.org/
>>
>> <fsasaki> +1 for SWIB as well
>>
>> <edsu> whew, thanks :-)
>>
>> <ww> +1 swib
>>
>> <emmanuelle_> no overlap with IPRES, its in september
>>
>> <rsinger> can there be more options of dates in that week?
>>
>> <rsinger> i mean, more aligned with DC2010 than ASIST?
>>
>> TomB: we can explore alternative options to Pittsburgh in addition
>> to indicating availability
>> ... upcoming topics
>>
>> <kcoyle> +1 swib
>>
>> Community building and outreach:
>> [45]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/RelatedGroups
>>
>> [45] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/RelatedGroups
>>
>> <digikim> thank you & bye
>>
>> Assessment of technology pieces and vocabularies:
>> [46]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Technology
>>
>> [46] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Technology
>>
>> <ww> thank you everyone.
>>
>> <edsu> no reason why we can't stay on the irc channel :-)
>>
>> <oreste> bye bye
>>
>> <edsu> if things come up, and you sit at a computer all day
>>
>> <hvdsomp> +1 for SWIB. this group should present there.
>>
>> [adjourned]
>>
>> <hvdsomp> -hvdsomp
>>
>> <antoine> ACTION: ALL: Flag July/August availability at
>> [47]http://www.doodle.com/hvwb4fe4x2kdq3cy recorded in
>> [48]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minu
>> tes.html#action03] [CONTINUES]
>>
>> [47] http://www.doodle.com/hvwb4fe4x2kdq3cy
>> [48]
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minutes.html#action03
>>
>>
>>
>> <hvdsomp> Zakim -hvdsomp
>>
>> <jodi> bye :)
>>
>> Summary of Action Items
>>
>> [NEW] ACTION: All group members should please post an introduction
>> to [49]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld recorded
>> in
>> [50]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/10-lld-minu
>> tes.html#action01]
>> [NEW] ACTION: ALL: group members please indicate your availability
>> for the proposed F2F meeting in a Doodle poll:
>> [51]http://www.doodle.com/gaipzmfc7xp9f4zq recorded in
>> [52]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/10-lld-minu
>> tes.html#action08]
>> [NEW] ACTION: ALL: members of the XG please add your name to the
>> topics list to indicate where their interests lie [recorded in
>> [53]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/10-lld-minu
>> tes.html#action07]
>> [NEW] ACTION: Antoine and kai to prepare a template for use cases.
>> Kai to contibute a template from the provenance group [recorded in
>> [54]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/10-lld-minu
>> tes.html#action03]
>> [NEW] ACTION: TomB and KCoyle will create a page for presentations
>> and will upload some slides [recorded in
>> [55]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/10-lld-minu
>> tes.html#action04]
>>
>> [49] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld
>> [51] http://www.doodle.com/gaipzmfc7xp9f4zq
>>
>> [PENDING] ACTION: ALL: Edit the topics for our work at the wiki:
>> [56]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Topics recorded in
>> [57]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minu
>> tes.html#action02]
>> [PENDING] ACTION: ALL: Flag July/August availability at
>> [58]http://www.doodle.com/hvwb4fe4x2kdq3cy recorded in
>> [59]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minu
>> tes.html#action03]
>> [PENDING] ACTION: Antoine to clean up mailing list on
>> [60]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/ recorded in
>> [61]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/06/03-lld-minu
>> tes.html#action01]
>>
>> [56] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Topics
>> [57]
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