one more thing schema.org?

Sorry for the string of emails, its the neurons firing up all at once
that trigger them :-)

just a side note. is anyone working on EM data for schema.org?
should we cook something up based on the EIIF framework?

thanks

PDM


On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks a lot for responses
> @Aleksander @others, please let us know when you are available to give
> overview
> we may be able to invite you to give a webinar or something!
> @Massimo, thanks for ping! I attended a crisicamp in Bologna where I may
> have met some people in your network, I will continue to share ideas on
> list and look forward to collaboration opportunities
> @all
> One of the causes of limited data sharing in emergency, has historically
> been the lack of availability of agencies to cooperate. This is due to a
> variety of factors (have done bits of research in this space), including
> limited knowhow and people resources.  However this seems to be changing,
> because organisations are smartening up and adopting web based technologies
> by default, they also indirectly buy into open source culture etcetera
> We have been thinking of doing a follow up workshop to evaluate the
> framework, to start getting people to cooperate and refine and evolve the
> proposed schema, or any other schema
> If we have enough people and organisations on board, even a small
> workshop, or series of small workshops, could make sense. Have opened a page
> http://www.w3.org/community/emergency/wiki/Workshop(s)
> Please join the community and give input freely, thanks  PDM
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Massimo Cristaldi <
> m.cristaldi@iessolutions.eu> wrote:
>
>> Dear Paola,
>>
>> very interesting points indeed.
>>
>> For your information we're supporting the Italian Fire Brigades towards
>> the transition to an "open interoperability" framework, so far "limited" in
>> incident notification, since 2006.
>>
>> As coordinators of the EU Project REACT we paved the way to the adoption
>> of the EDXL Common Alerting Protocol from the Italian Ministry of the
>> Interior that issues, so far, two decrees - see this link for a brief
>> overview
>> http://www.iessolutions.eu/en/the-world-standard-day-2011-conference-and-the-business-story-based-on-an-open-standard
>>
>> Of course we're interested in contributing to any scientific article
>> about the topic!
>>
>> Massimo
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>> On 28/nov/2013, at 09:22, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just a quick correction and a follow up  thought (sorry a bit in a hurry
>> yesterday, it was the middle of the night at my end)
>>
>> 1. the EIIF report, framework, conceptual model etc, was the result of
>> a collective effort led and coordinated by Renato Iannella  (looking back
>> at that work Renato and all, even after so many years, it still looks good
>> imho)
>>
>> 2.  Ideally, information providers would adopt  shared schemas (which
>> could or could not be based on/related to our framework) to simplify
>> interoperability. While this particular wish may take a while to come true,
>>  the framework can be used to map and create interoperability between
>> different schemas. I think thanks to the experts in the XG, we can
>> guarantee the framework facilitates this at least to some extent
>>
>> 3. we would be grateful if people could 'evaluate' the usefulness of the
>> framework. could it help, if adopted, to structure and simplify web based
>> information exchange of emergency information? if not, what should we do to
>> make the framework more useful and promote its adoption?
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>> PDM
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> cc
>>> public emergency community
>>> public xg eiif list
>>>
>>> thanks for sharing
>>>
>>> from what I recall *I am doing this in between of lots of other things
>>> :-)*
>>> one of the historical problems we have (as a community of open
>>> information professionals) is accessing emergency/relief data. so, from my
>>> perspective, it would be very useful to have an evaluation of the data
>>> sharing policy in practice, or any hints thereof, the transition from PDF
>>> to xml or other web friendly format is a technical formality that is
>>> relatively trivial when the policy is transparent
>>>
>>> In addition to any support Carsten and others may offer, from the work
>>> myself and other folks have done before,
>>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/eiif/wiki/Main_Page
>>>
>>> we can provide a bit of help in devising the schemas. (keeping in mind
>>> the vocabulary/ontological aspects of the schema) assuming that the
>>> information schemas used in the original dataset currently available in PDF
>>> , are not optimized for web based representation/exchange
>>> (havent looked at them in detail), we can help there. we have a
>>> framework that has been formally validated with DOLCE that we can use to
>>> ensure integrity of the data
>>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/eiif/XGR-Framework-20090720/
>>>
>>> if you think this could be useful, we can give more info how to use the
>>> framework
>>>
>>>
>>> In addition, if this is a first of any kind, some of us may be
>>> interested in working with you folks to write a paper  about this effort.
>>>
>>> Let us know how can we assist, and look forward to be reading about the
>>> progress being made in this space
>>>
>>> GIS rocks
>>>
>>> P
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:58 PM, SJohnson <simonbjohnson@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Apologies to everyone for missing the skype call.  I've been busy all
>>>> day and have only just picked this up.  For future use my ID is
>>>> simon_b_johnson.  As far as I'm aware the RC has not shared open data
>>>> online before or has any open data policy.  The British Red Cross GIS team
>>>> is very interested in exploring this, but this is our own initiative rather
>>>> than anything passed down from management.
>>>>
>>>> One of the data sets that could be included is the Situation Report
>>>> released by the Philippines Government.
>>>> http://reliefweb.int/report/philippines/ndrrmc-update-sitrep-no-44-effects-typhoon-yolanda-haiyan
>>>> We have a process in place of scrapping the pdf for our use.  It contains
>>>> data relating to affected people evacuations centres etc per municipality
>>>> for about 650 municipalities.  There may be other tables as well with data
>>>> relevant to the hxl vocab, but I haven't checked.  There are a few other
>>>> data sets we have processed that may also be able to be included.
>>>>
>>>> In terms of RC data, I doubt I can share anything beyond what we are
>>>> currently sharing publicly in other formats.  I'm thinking it would also be
>>>> a good chance to assess what data we do have internally that might be of
>>>> use and start a dialogue here about sharing before the next humanitarian
>>>> crisis.  We could also see what other data we commonly do share that might
>>>> not fall within hxl's current spec.  Currently I'm not expecting much
>>>> overlap, but it would be useful just to make a start with whatever we have.
>>>>
>>>> To see what we are producing in respect to this crisis please visit the
>>>> following links:
>>>> http://webviz.redcross.org:8080/index.html
>>>> http://americanredcross.github.io/haiyan_mapfolio/ (There's a lot, but
>>>> it is worth scrolling through to see the variation further down)
>>>>
>>>> A quick background on the GIS team here.  We are relatively new (only 2
>>>> years old) and this is the first time we have been asked to support IFRC
>>>> response in conjunction with the American Red Cross GIS team.  The only
>>>> experience I have had with type of technology before is writing a simple
>>>> webpage to query the test store for affected populations and displaying it
>>>> on the map, so this will be a learning exercise our side.  We do have a
>>>> technical minded volunteer who has just started who I am hoping to throw at
>>>> the task and see how it goes.
>>>>
>>>> We're going to use the main website as a guide, but if you are able to
>>>> offer any other material or advice it would be appreciated.  I'm sure once
>>>> we get started we will be returning with a few more questions.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Simon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:21:54 UTC, Carsten Kessler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Simon,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think having a triple store t the British Red Cross publishing HXL
>>>>> data would be great. What kind of data do you have in mind?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Carsten
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Daniel Link <dlin...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > Hi Simon,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We are having a HXL-related Skype call today at 15:00 CET. Let me
>>>>> know your Skype ID if you would like to shortly describe your idea there
>>>>> today. Carsten Keßler might have the chance to join today too.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Daniel
>>>>> >
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