shared schemas-time for a follow up workshop?

Thanks a lot for responses
@Aleksander @others, please let us know when you are available to give
overview
we may be able to invite you to give a webinar or something!
@Massimo, thanks for ping! I attended a crisicamp in Bologna where I may
have met some people in your network, I will continue to share ideas on
list and look forward to collaboration opportunities
@all
One of the causes of limited data sharing in emergency, has historically
been the lack of availability of agencies to cooperate. This is due to a
variety of factors (have done bits of research in this space), including
limited knowhow and people resources.  However this seems to be changing,
because organisations are smartening up and adopting web based technologies
by default, they also indirectly buy into open source culture etcetera
We have been thinking of doing a follow up workshop to evaluate the
framework, to start getting people to cooperate and refine and evolve the
proposed schema, or any other schema
If we have enough people and organisations on board, even a small workshop,
or series of small workshops, could make sense. Have opened a page
http://www.w3.org/community/emergency/wiki/Workshop(s)
Please join the community and give input freely, thanks  PDM



On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Massimo Cristaldi <
m.cristaldi@iessolutions.eu> wrote:

> Dear Paola,
>
> very interesting points indeed.
>
> For your information we're supporting the Italian Fire Brigades towards
> the transition to an "open interoperability" framework, so far "limited" in
> incident notification, since 2006.
>
> As coordinators of the EU Project REACT we paved the way to the adoption
> of the EDXL Common Alerting Protocol from the Italian Ministry of the
> Interior that issues, so far, two decrees - see this link for a brief
> overview
> http://www.iessolutions.eu/en/the-world-standard-day-2011-conference-and-the-business-story-based-on-an-open-standard
>
> Of course we're interested in contributing to any scientific article about
> the topic!
>
> Massimo
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> On 28/nov/2013, at 09:22, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just a quick correction and a follow up  thought (sorry a bit in a hurry
> yesterday, it was the middle of the night at my end)
>
> 1. the EIIF report, framework, conceptual model etc, was the result of
> a collective effort led and coordinated by Renato Iannella  (looking back
> at that work Renato and all, even after so many years, it still looks good
> imho)
>
> 2.  Ideally, information providers would adopt  shared schemas (which
> could or could not be based on/related to our framework) to simplify
> interoperability. While this particular wish may take a while to come true,
>  the framework can be used to map and create interoperability between
> different schemas. I think thanks to the experts in the XG, we can
> guarantee the framework facilitates this at least to some extent
>
> 3. we would be grateful if people could 'evaluate' the usefulness of the
> framework. could it help, if adopted, to structure and simplify web based
> information exchange of emergency information? if not, what should we do to
> make the framework more useful and promote its adoption?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> PDM
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Simon
>>
>> cc
>> public emergency community
>> public xg eiif list
>>
>> thanks for sharing
>>
>> from what I recall *I am doing this in between of lots of other things
>> :-)*
>> one of the historical problems we have (as a community of open
>> information professionals) is accessing emergency/relief data. so, from my
>> perspective, it would be very useful to have an evaluation of the data
>> sharing policy in practice, or any hints thereof, the transition from PDF
>> to xml or other web friendly format is a technical formality that is
>> relatively trivial when the policy is transparent
>>
>> In addition to any support Carsten and others may offer, from the work
>> myself and other folks have done before,
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/eiif/wiki/Main_Page
>>
>> we can provide a bit of help in devising the schemas. (keeping in mind
>> the vocabulary/ontological aspects of the schema) assuming that the
>> information schemas used in the original dataset currently available in PDF
>> , are not optimized for web based representation/exchange
>> (havent looked at them in detail), we can help there. we have a framework
>> that has been formally validated with DOLCE that we can use to ensure
>> integrity of the data
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/eiif/XGR-Framework-20090720/
>>
>> if you think this could be useful, we can give more info how to use the
>> framework
>>
>>
>> In addition, if this is a first of any kind, some of us may be interested
>> in working with you folks to write a paper  about this effort.
>>
>> Let us know how can we assist, and look forward to be reading about the
>> progress being made in this space
>>
>> GIS rocks
>>
>> P
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:58 PM, SJohnson <simonbjohnson@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Apologies to everyone for missing the skype call.  I've been busy all
>>> day and have only just picked this up.  For future use my ID is
>>> simon_b_johnson.  As far as I'm aware the RC has not shared open data
>>> online before or has any open data policy.  The British Red Cross GIS team
>>> is very interested in exploring this, but this is our own initiative rather
>>> than anything passed down from management.
>>>
>>> One of the data sets that could be included is the Situation Report
>>> released by the Philippines Government.
>>> http://reliefweb.int/report/philippines/ndrrmc-update-sitrep-no-44-effects-typhoon-yolanda-haiyan
>>> We have a process in place of scrapping the pdf for our use.  It contains
>>> data relating to affected people evacuations centres etc per municipality
>>> for about 650 municipalities.  There may be other tables as well with data
>>> relevant to the hxl vocab, but I haven't checked.  There are a few other
>>> data sets we have processed that may also be able to be included.
>>>
>>> In terms of RC data, I doubt I can share anything beyond what we are
>>> currently sharing publicly in other formats.  I'm thinking it would also be
>>> a good chance to assess what data we do have internally that might be of
>>> use and start a dialogue here about sharing before the next humanitarian
>>> crisis.  We could also see what other data we commonly do share that might
>>> not fall within hxl's current spec.  Currently I'm not expecting much
>>> overlap, but it would be useful just to make a start with whatever we have.
>>>
>>> To see what we are producing in respect to this crisis please visit the
>>> following links:
>>> http://webviz.redcross.org:8080/index.html
>>> http://americanredcross.github.io/haiyan_mapfolio/ (There's a lot, but
>>> it is worth scrolling through to see the variation further down)
>>>
>>> A quick background on the GIS team here.  We are relatively new (only 2
>>> years old) and this is the first time we have been asked to support IFRC
>>> response in conjunction with the American Red Cross GIS team.  The only
>>> experience I have had with type of technology before is writing a simple
>>> webpage to query the test store for affected populations and displaying it
>>> on the map, so this will be a learning exercise our side.  We do have a
>>> technical minded volunteer who has just started who I am hoping to throw at
>>> the task and see how it goes.
>>>
>>> We're going to use the main website as a guide, but if you are able to
>>> offer any other material or advice it would be appreciated.  I'm sure once
>>> we get started we will be returning with a few more questions.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:21:54 UTC, Carsten Kessler wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Simon,
>>>>
>>>> I think having a triple store t the British Red Cross publishing HXL
>>>> data would be great. What kind of data do you have in mind?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Carsten
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Daniel Link <dlin...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Hi Simon,
>>>> >
>>>> > We are having a HXL-related Skype call today at 15:00 CET. Let me
>>>> know your Skype ID if you would like to shortly describe your idea there
>>>> today. Carsten Keßler might have the chance to join today too.
>>>> >
>>>> > Daniel
>>>> >
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