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Linked Data Shapes, Forms and Footprints

From: Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:38:38 +0700
Message-ID: <CAKi_AEt4rtD+8kKC-oesy=CrzPE83ZoGkpfiTioW5jnhWZCFZg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>
Cc: "public-xformsusers@w3.org" <public-xformsusers@w3.org>
Dear Owen & public-xformsusers,

As it was told that XForms is an XML-based programming languages I came to
pages on XML: It brought me to T. Bernets-Lee collection of writings on
Design Issue. Interestingly I find a page recently written by Berners-Lee
in 2019
(https://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Footprints.html) about technologies to
help with building applications among which were languages of forms. And we
are here in public-xformusers@w3.org.

Together with another page opened written older than the previous one by
Berners-Lee explaining about "evolvability" (
https://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Evolution.html), my readings on IETF (
www.ietf.org and its collaborators such as IRTF and IAB), the website on
STRATML with its slogan mentioning "Intentions", "Networks Society" (Manuel
Castell*) and "Networks of Laguage" (J. Francois Lyotard, "The Postmodern
Condition"), the document on technologies to help with building apps
(Berners-Lee, 2019) brought me to such a draft of minds below --with an
emphasis on "networks of applications supported by languages":


For the Internet and the Web, thus networks of computer-based
communications and informations --at least considering the Web goals of
interoperbility and evolvability/evolution if they are still so while if it
has not been changed evolution is a main concern of Internet engineers--,
there would supposedly be networks of applications supported by languages:
and there would also be those of intentions/interests of users' and
architects'... Is'nt it so...?

This is why the message relates with issues maintained by
public-informationarchitecture@w3.org and public-appsdesignlab@w3.org
beside public-xformsusers@w3.org...




Note:
* It is a long web address, then I separate it:
Manuel Castell, "Informationalism, Technology and Network Society"
https://annenberg.usc.edu/sites/default/files/2015/04/28/Informationalism%2C%20Networks%20and%20the%20Network%20Society.pdf



Regard,
Guntur Wiseno Putra




Pada Senin, 09 Desember 2019, Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net> menulis:

> Guntur, I'm not sure I understand your question or whether anyone else on
> the listserv is interested in seeing us continue this dialog.
>
> However, with regard to the KISS principle noted in one of the references
> you cited <https://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Principles.html>, this famous
> admonition comes to mind:  https://quoteinvestigator.com/
> 2011/05/13/einstein-simple/
>
> For business quality records, it is the underlying requirements that
> should take precedence, not the desire to make it easy for techies to
> manipulate those records via software programming code.  Indeed, to some
> degree, the reverse is true.  Once they have been completed and used in
> business transactions, records should be immutable.  That's why Blockchain
> has garnered so much attention.  See the last paragraph at
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine-readable_document
>
> With reference to your message immediately below, my interest focuses on
> networks of *human beings* -- based upon shared values supported by
> common and complementary objectives -- and NOT on "networks of
> computer-based communications and information" per se.  Technology networks
> are means to ends and not ends unto themselves.  The architects of those
> networks should keep that in mind, which prompts consciousness of this
> infamous saying:  https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/the+inmates+are+
> running+the+asylum
>
> See also http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/part2/DCMOwStyle.xml  "Applications
> are optional visitors to the data."
> Owen
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/owenambur/
>
>
> On 12/8/2019 12:40 AM, Guntur Wiseno Putra wrote:
>
> Dear Owen & public-xformsusers,
>
> For the Internet and the Web, thus networks of computer-based
> communications and informations --at least considering the Web goals of
> interoperbility and evolvability/evolution if they are still so while if it
> has not been changed evolution is a main concern of Internet engineers--,
> there would supposedly be networks of applications supported by languages:
> and there would also be those of intentions/interests of users' and
> architects'... Is'nt it so...?
>
>
>
>
> Regard,
> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>
> Pada Sabtu, 07 Desember 2019, Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net> menulis:
>
>> This is a bit beyond my level of technical expertise but here are a
>> couple passages on which I do have a point of view:
>>
>> "... how do we build systems in which users and apps are easily allowed
>> to express useful, helpful things? "
>>
>> To me, "useful, helpful" means enabling us to more easily and effectively
>> accomplish our objectives.  The first step is to think clearly about what
>> we want to accomplish and the second is to document our long-term goals and
>> near-term objectives -- preferably in an open, standard, machine-readable
>> format (especially if we need to engage others in order to achieve them).
>> At that point, AI and value-added services can be applied to identify the
>> necessary inputs and processing capabilities, thereby revolutionizing the
>> ridiculously inefficient advertising and marketing paradigm.
>>
>> Joe Carmel initially developed these XForms to enable the documentation
>> of goals, objectives, and stakeholders in StratML format:
>> http://stratml.us/forms/Part1Form.xml & http://stratml.us/forms/Part2F
>> orm.xml  Jorge Sanchez is working on a wizard version at
>> http://stratml.us/vionta/forms/wizard/0_mainform.xml
>>
>> "The problem of where to store new data"
>>
>> Why not open, machine-readable documents
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine-readable_document>, in which both
>> the semantics as well as the structure have been well specified?
>>
>> At scale (e.g., beyond Dunbar's Number
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number>), accountability
>> requires good, complete, and reliable records.  Triples, graphs, and
>> microcode simply will not suffice for business-quality information.  See
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_corners_(law)
>>
>> Owen
>> On 12/7/2019 9:53 AM, Guntur Wiseno Putra wrote:
>>
>> Dear Steven & public-xformsusers,
>>
>> Considering its date of writing (2019/04/26) and last change
>> (2019/07/12): if I have not been missing since then, the document has not
>> been this list since then...
>>
>> Berner-Lee, T, "Linked Data Shapes, Forms, and Footprints"
>>
>> It discuss technologies to help with building apps on top of data:
>> shapes, forms, and footprints...
>>
>>
>> https://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Footprints.html
>>
>> Regard,
>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>
>>
Received on Monday, 9 December 2019 04:38:41 UTC

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