- From: Thomas Roessler <tlr@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:25:07 +0200
- To: WSC WG <public-wsc-wg@w3.org>
Minutes from our meeting on 2008-08-20 were approved and are
available online here:
http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-wsc-minutes
A text version is included below the .signature.
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Thomas Roessler, W3C <tlr@w3.org>
[1]W3C
Web Security Context Working Group Teleconference
20 Aug 2008
See also: [2]IRC log
Attendees
Present
Thomas Roessler, Mary Ellen Zurko, Philip Hallam Baker, Joe
Steele, Maritza_Johnson, Jan Vidar Krey, Ian Fette, Tyler Close
Regrets
Johnathan_N, Yngve_P
Chair
Mez
Scribe
Maritza Johnson
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Approve minutes from previous meeting
2. [5]Open action items
3. [6]Agenda bashing
4. [7]Testing for CR Exit - work through test scenario for 6.1.1
and 6.1.2
5. [8]Next meeting
* [9]Summary of Action Items
__________________________________________________________________
Approve minutes from previous meeting
<Mez> [10]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-wsc-minutes.html
mez: approved
Open action items
<Mez> [11]http://www.w3.org/2006/WSC/track/actions/open
mez: standard set of open action items, i don't know of any extras
... first agenda, working through our first test scenario
... on vacation for the next two weeks
... tlr will chair
Agenda Bashing
<Mez> work through test scenario for 6.1.1 and 6.1.2
mez: someone should be in the wiki writing done the test scenario
thomas to capture conversation for wiki
<tlr> [12]http://www.w3.org/2006/WSC/wiki/TestCases
Testing for CR Exit - work through test scenario for 6.1.1 and 6.1.2
<Mez> [13]http://www.w3.org/TR/wsc-ui/#identity-requirement
mez: what will the test scenario be for viewing the identity
information in the primary interface
tlr: there is a lot of check it off the list if it's ok in 6.1.1, they
might depend on the individual browser
mez: do we ask them to go to the url and look for it
steele: the identity signal is consistent as the user navigates
tlr: an interesting question about the enumeration of conditions are
things affected by the implementation in the second parapraph
s/pararaph/paragraph
mez: have we handled the second paragraph
tlr: the 3rd talks about consistency
... the UA must indicate no information is available
... the test would using the identity signal when interacting with
different classes of websites
<steele> with a pinned cert?
tlr: set to test: plain http, https with regular cert, https with ev
certs, https with broken ev cert, and possible cert conditions
... which we might find when testing for certificate errors
... we need more precise situations for these
... we need to understand the sites one visits when the identity
information is available
mez: a forward reference to 6.1.2
<tlr> issue: clarify "positive form of identity" language in 6.1.1
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-215 - Clarify \"positive form of identity\"
language in 6.1.1 ; please complete additional details at
[14]http://www.w3.org/2006/WSC/track/issues/215/edit .
mez: are we up to the 4th paragraph?
... why is the last line about web content there in 6.1.1
tlr: need to add material for when identity information is available
... the last sentence, as i read it, is that the identity signal is
security chrome, might need an editorial clarificaiton
... the must in the last sentence might be redundant
... should deal with it in 7.1.4
mez: So we have a draft to cover 6.1.1
tlr: and we need to have the webpages with special variables to run
this against
mez: planning the testbed? is that a different discussion?
tlr: let's focus on what the tests mean in the first place
mez: moving on to 6.1.2
tlr: sounds like another requirement that depends on how the UA shows
it
... it should also be dealt with when there are many implementations
mez: i thought the test plan would cover what we need to do to make
that claim
tlr: some things might be inspection of X, it's hard to test the
absence of something
mez: so we'll have activities around verifying that there are
conforming implementations not in the test plan
tlr: no, i'm having a hard time saying the questions we're asking are
tested
... there is a difference between a test plan and a test
<tlr> me too
mez: i like having one place to cover everything
... don't care what name it has
... point in wiki on identity signal content
<tlr> I'm not actually sure it's code inspection.
steele: it sounds like we're requiring code inspection?
... is that gonna fly?
<Mez> someone in adobe claims they checked, it's good
mez: doesn't need to be an external person
<Mez> we nod our heads sagely
tlr: we could give a checklist but someone has to check it, maybe not
our place to say how it happens
mez: we talked about it last week, how exposed do the tests need to be
... in the public? unnecessary, other tests have been done in house
... don't know of a good alternative for code that isnt' open source
... test cases for top-level that's at least AA/EV
tlr: we need to enumerate, tls secured webpage, and webpages where any
of the criteria do not apply
... do/do not apply and need to verify the behavior in the cases
mez: tables format?
tlr: painful to do on phone and in wiki
... ... maybe someone should go through and write up what it should be
... there are some conclusions that derive from the initial spec that
is useful
mez: something to do at the end of the call?
... we're doing in the call because of lack of volunteers to do it
another time
<tlr> ACTION: baker to drive test case matrix for 6.12 - due 2008-09-03
[recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-wsc-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - baker
<tlr> ACTION: phb to drive test case matrix for 6.12 - due 2008-09-03
[recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-wsc-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-502 - drive test case matrix for 6.12 [on
Phillip Hallam-Baker - due 2008-09-03].
tlr: covers 6.1.2 in the spec
... looking through, we have conditions under which information is
displayed, and we need cases where it is displayed
... shall we move further through the spec?
steele: in 6.1.2, phb's action item, is it a list of candidate
certificates and how they'll be displayed?
... what do you mean by all the different cases
tlr: for the different types of certificates and the content conditions
where they may be used, the cases need to be enumerated and the input
needs to be broken into categories based on the interactions that
occur, and state the output of the identity information
steele: 6.1.2 seems to talk about other properties of the certificate
... how does each certificate behave under conditions
tlr: would be a great piece of input
mez: not enough time to get another section done in remaining time
tlr: 6.3
... if we know the states when it should display we should know when
the indicator should be present
... it appears the cases from 6.1 will cover it, but we should check
... is there anything else to say about 6.3 now
mez: need output from phb's action-502
... will that get folded into the parts that are there after it is
fleshed out
... ok, good start, having worked examples is useful, any topics to
bring up for next week
Next meeting
tlr: i'll plan to go over the comments we have so far, right now
there's at least one comment to look at
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: baker to drive test case matrix for 6.12 - due 2008-09-03
[recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-wsc-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: phb to drive test case matrix for 6.12 - due 2008-09-03
[recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-wsc-minutes.html#action02]
[End of minutes]
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References
1. http://www.w3.org/
2. http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-wsc-irc
3. http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-wsc-minutes#agenda
4. http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-wsc-minutes#item01
5. http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-wsc-minutes#item02
6. http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-wsc-minutes#item03
7. http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-wsc-minutes#item04
8. http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-wsc-minutes#item05
9. http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-wsc-minutes#ActionSummary
10. http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-wsc-minutes.html
11. http://www.w3.org/2006/WSC/track/actions/open
12. http://www.w3.org/2006/WSC/wiki/TestCases
13. http://www.w3.org/TR/wsc-ui/#identity-requirement
14. http://www.w3.org/2006/WSC/track/issues/215/edit
15. http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-wsc-minutes.html#action01
16. http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-wsc-minutes.html#action02
17. http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-wsc-minutes.html#action01
18. http://www.w3.org/2008/08/20-wsc-minutes.html#action02
19. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
20. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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Thomas Roessler, W3C <tlr@w3.org>
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