RE: Decisions to-date for Issue 6692

Doug,
 
This is too big a change than the WG agreed in the F2F. I think we should let Geoff present his proposal first and see if any additional change is needed. 
 
Thanks,
 
- Wu Chou.
 
From: Doug Davis <dug@us.ibm.com <mailto:dug@us.ibm.com?Subject=RE%3A%20Decisions%20to-date%20for%20Issue%206692&In-Reply-To=%253COF3B053D0A.DE29F920-ON852575E5.005620FF-852575E5.005629D7%40us.ibm.com%253E&References=%253COF3B053D0A.DE29F920-ON852575E5.005620FF-852575E5.005629D7%40us.ibm.com%253E> > 
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:41:08 -0400
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Asir,
  the html file I posted has change marks/bars.

thanks
-Doug
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06/30/2009 11:39 AM

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RE: Decisions to-date for Issue 6692






We are NOT able to figure out the diff between Geoff?s and Doug?s written 
proposals. May we request you to post a diff?
 
Regards,
 
Asir S Vedamuthu
Microsoft Corporation
 
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Subject: Re: Decisions to-date for Issue 6692
 

Yves - thanks and sorry I keep forgetting about the size limit. 
I uploaded the file here: 
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/9/06/wseventing-DeliveryElement.html 

thanks
-Doug
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06/30/2009 08:43 AM 


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On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Doug Davis wrote:

[resent with a compressed version of the attachment]

> Geoff,
>  I think this write-up goes beyond what we agreed to at the f2f.  I seem
> to recall that we agreed to remove the "mode" attribute but keep the
> "Delivery" element as a wrapper for extensions related to the conveyance
> of Notifications.  In particular, here are some of things that I noticed
> that seemed to go beyond that:
> - introduction of a "delivery pattern" concept
> - the notion of a "Push pattern" - since we didn't agree to a new
> "delivery pattern" concept, we didn't agree to a "Push pattern"
> - the EndTo element appears to have moved in your proposal - just in the
> pseudo schema
> - Most of the text you put under "Delivery" is redundant with the
> extensibility model we already have described in section 3.2.
> - Also, text like "Two extension elements are equivalent if and only if
> they have the same root QName." is not something we discussed and is not
> correct.  Only the spec that defines the extension could make this claim
> since its possible that attributes or children elements need to be
> examined to determine equivalence.  I'm having horrible flashback to 
"EPR
> comparison" discussions  :-)
>
> I've attached a new version that I think limits itself to just what we
> agreed to.  From a coding perspective its the same thing as what you 
have
> - it just doesn't introduce concepts that we didn't agree to and as a
> result I think its easier to digest.
>
> btw - something I think the group should think about are examples. Given
> we have 3 extensibility points (Subscribe, Delivery, NotifyTo) we should
> probably show at least one example of what kind of extension would go 
into
> each and how it will look.  Without this guidance I suspect a lot of
> confusion and interop issues.
>
>
>
> thanks
> -Doug
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>
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> Geoff Bullen <Geoff.Bullen@microsoft.com <mailto:Geoff.Bullen@microsoft.com?Subject=RE%3A%20Decisions%20to-date%20for%20Issue%206692&In-Reply-To=%253COF3B053D0A.DE29F920-ON852575E5.005620FF-852575E5.005629D7%40us.ibm.com%253E&References=%253COF3B053D0A.DE29F920-ON852575E5.005620FF-852575E5.005629D7%40us.ibm.com%253E> >
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> 06/25/2009 06:56 PM
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> Decisions to-date for Issue 6692
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi all,
> This email is in response to my action item 70 to write up our 
?decisions
> to-date? as far as Issue 6692 is concerned.
> We made good progress at the recent F2F, which is captured in the 
attached
> doc.
> I also received some great feedback last week, which is incorporated as
> well.
>
> Major decisions made:
> ·        Retaining the delivery element
> ·        Getting rid of the mode attribute and replacing it with a 
series
> of composable options
> ·        The initial suggestion was to use qnames to represent those
> options
>
> There still seems to be a few discussion points remaining.  These 
include:
> ·        Using qnames or potentially using policy statements inside of 
the
> delivery element
> ·        Should subscription response return indications about the
> subscription?
> ·        What should various faults return?
>
> --Geoff
> [attachment "WS-Eventing-6692-8.docx" deleted by Doug Davis/Raleigh/IBM]
>

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Baroula que barouleras, au tiéu toujou t'entourneras.

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Doug Davis/Raleigh/IBM]