- From: Geoff Bullen <Geoff.Bullen@microsoft.com>
- Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:45:55 -0700
- To: "public-ws-resource-access@w3.org" <public-ws-resource-access@w3.org>
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Issue A: Really a mandatory extension, not an optional one The proposal to add a dialect attribute appears like an optional attribute value based extension but it is really a mandatory extension. Why? At the minimum, implementations need to understand the new attribute and respond that they do not support dialects. But, understanding the attribute is NOT essential to process basic Transfer features. Tiny resources are resource-challenged and should not be burdened to implement advanced features. Also, there are a number of dependant protocols that took functional dependencies on basic features. There are no reasons to burden these dependant protocols and their implementations. There are well-known and commercially-supported mechanisms to represent an optional extension: 1) Use a SOAP Header Block to indicate advanced features. This is the Status Quo in the basis (The WS-ResourceTransfer Member Submission [1]) and reflects current practice in the DMTF WS-Management Standard [2]. 2) Use new WS-Addressing Action verbs to indicate advanced features. This works well too. [1] http://www.w3.org/Submission/2008/SUBM-WSRT-20080812/#_Toc144258518 [2] http://www.dmtf.org/standards/published_documents/DSP0226.pdf (Section 4.8) --Geoff From: public-ws-resource-access-request@w3.org [mailto:public-ws-resource-access-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Katy Warr Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 9:23 AM To: public-ws-resource-access@w3.org Cc: David Snelling; Doug Davis Subject: Issue 6413: WS-Transfer with Extensible Fragment Support Following discussions on issue 6413 during the March F2F, Dave and I were tasked to create a new proposal that integrated basic fragment support (from WS-RT) into WS-T: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/tracker/actions/39. Dave, Doug and I have worked on this and have the following proposal: A key requirement of this action item was minimum change to the core WS-T specification (as the amount of change to the WS-T spec was a concern with the initial proposal). With this in mind, our proposal adds only an optional 'Dialect' attribute to each operation. This attribute specifies how the extensibility elements in the in the body will be processed - thus providing a fully extensible mechanism to the WS-Transfer spec, but with minimum changes. We were sensitive to the fact that WS-T implementations should not need to process the soap body unnecessarily. The dialect attribute has the useful side effect of indicating whether processing of extensibility elements in the soap body is required. More importantly, its absence indicates when processing is not required. For the Get and Delete operations, (where processing of the body is not necessary if there is no extensibility), we state: "When this attribute is not present, child elements of the wst:Get MUST be ignored." In terms of dialect definition, we have defined one dialect only: XPath Level 1 Expression Dialect and this is contained in Appendix A. Implementation of this dialect is optional and other (optional) dialects may be defined by other specifications. The XPath Level 1 Expression Dialect was chosen because it satisfies the core fragment use cases without introducing additional complexity. XPath Level 1 restricts the evaluation of an XPath 1.0 expression to a single element thus providing simple fragment support for the majority of use cases. Multiple elements could still be targeted via an XPath Level 1 expression by inclusion of a parent element by the application to encapsulate child multiple elements. Note the following with respect to the defined XPath Level 1 expression dialect: - We have restricted the dialect to disallow multiple fragment support (i.e. only one expression/fragment per request). Again, this was to ensure that we were covering core use case without introducing unnecessary complexity. - For simplification, we have not introduced the Put 'Mode' element from WS-RT. Fragment deletion may be performed with Delete and the XPath Level 1 expression dialect. Fragment insertion may be performed with Create and the XPath L 1 Dialect. Note that the schema has not been updated to reflect the proposal as it seemed prudent to await decision by the group prior to spending time on this. The proposed document with markup in word and html is here: http://www.soaphub.org/public/files/w3c/WSTWithBasicFragmenSupport.htm http://www.soaphub.org/public/files/w3c/WSTWithBasicFragmenSupport.doc Thanks, Katy ________________________________ Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU
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