- From: Ricky Ho <riho@cisco.com>
- Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:53:45 -0800
- To: <Peter.Furniss@choreology.com>
- Cc: <public-ws-chor@w3.org>
Comments embedded At 05:22 PM 3/25/2003 +0000, Furniss, Peter wrote: >Nice example. Suppose, due to an epidemic (of an internal complaint :-), >the doctor and receptionist change their interactions, so there are also >sequences like > >a) Doctor informs Receptionist he is available all morning >b) Doctor asks Receptionist to ensure there is always a stock of 5 doses >of the > medicine for the current epidemic > >1) Patient sends a "I want to see doctor" message to the Receptionist > > Receptionist selects doctor from those available > >5) Receptionist send a "Go see doctor" message to the Patient >6) Patient send a "I feel sick" message to Doctor > >8) Doctor send a "Pickup your medicine and you can leave" message to >Patient >9) Patient send a "I need my medicine" message to Receptionist >10) Receptionist send a "Here is your medicine" message to Patient > >Of course, if the patient's problem isn't the common disease, the >original 7 applies. > >Is it the same choreography for the patient ? The interactions >involving the patient are the >same. The underlying semantics of all the messages is the same (e.g. >AppointmentReceipts identify available doctors, PrescriptionReceipts >identify medicine that will be available). The way by which the >receptionist and doctor know that they are issuing semantically truthful >messages has changed - but that only affects the patient as a sort of >QoS issue. > >Would it count as the same choreography if a) and b) used the same 3) >and 7) messages pre-emptively. I'm assuming you agree that this is a multi-party choreography which cannot be broken down into multiple bi-party scenario. Under this assumption, these are 2 different multi-party choreographies because the reception/doctor interaction has been changed. It just happens that from a particular party's view (ie: patient), the interaction sequence is the same. >Since, as Edwin points out, the Doctor doesn't really care how the >patient got the appointment receipt, What if the doctor want to make sure he is being asked for availability before the patient shows up ? Rgds, Ricky >and the receptionist doesn't know >what motivated the doctor to ask for the medicine whether this should be >broken down into two-party choreographies, or into one-party service >definitions may depend on what the intent of a choreography >specification is - internal, external or global. > > >Peter > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Edwin Khodabakchian [mailto:edwink@collaxa.com] > > Sent: 25 March 2003 00:52 > > To: 'Ricky Ho'; jdart@tibco.com > > Cc: public-ws-chor@w3.org > > Subject: More about the patient/receptionist/doctor use case. > > > > > > > > Ricky, > > > > I would like to propose a different grouping of these sets of > > interactions that will enhance reuse, increase the level of > > decoupling and make sure that in case of exceptions there is > > a clear notion of responsibality. > > > > <<<<<<<<< > > Let me try the patient/receptionist/doctor > > > > 1) Patient send a "I want to see doctor" message to the Receptionist > > 2) Receptionist send a "Are you available ?" message to a a > > list of Doctors > > 3) One doctor send a "I'm available" message to the Receptionist. > > 4) Receptionist send a "I'll book you" message to the Doctor. > > 5) Receptionist send a "Go see doctor" message to the Patient > > 6) Patient send a "I feel sick" message to Doctor > > 7) Doctor send a "Prepare this medicine" message to Receptionist > > 8) Doctor send a "Pickup your medicine and you can leave" > > message to Patient > > 9) Patient send a "I need my medicine" message to Receptionist > > 10) Receptionist send a "Here is your medicine" message to Patient > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > Suggested break down: > > > > Service 1: Appointment Management Service > > Input: > > AppointmentRequest. > > Output: > > AppointmentReceipt. > > Provider: > > Receptionist. > > Pre-requisit: > > If you know how to create an AppointmentRequest, you > > can participate. > > Covers Interactions: > > 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 > > Note: > > 2, 3, 4 are really private implementation of that > > service and define > > the logic of how the receptionist orchestrates the private flow > > needed to implement the service. > > > > Service 2: DoctorService > > Input: > > AppointmentReceipt > > Output: > > PrescriptionReceipt > > Provider: > > Doctor > > Pre-requisit: > > Again from the patient point of view this is a simple request > > response interactions. To participate, the patient needs an > > AppointmentReceipt. How he gets it is not important I think: > > We want the doctor service to be reusable. > > Covers Interaction: > > 6, 7, 8 > > > > Service 3: MedicineDelivery > > Input: > > PrescriptionReceipt > > Provider: > > Receptionist > > Pre-requisit: > > If you have a PrescriptionReceipt, you can participate. > > Covers: > > 9,10 > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Edwin > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: public-ws-chor-request@w3.org > > > [mailto:public-ws-chor-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Ricky Ho > > > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 4:06 PM > > > To: jdart@tibco.com; Daniel_Austin@grainger.com > > > Cc: public-ws-chor@w3.org > > > Subject: Re: requirements summary > > > > > > > > > > > > I was originally thinking that a multi-party choreography can > > > always be > > > broken down into multiple "inter-dependent" bi-party > > > choreography. But I > > > am convinced that this is NOT always possible. > > > > > > See > > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-> > > chor/2003Mar/0052.html > > > > > > So I think bi-party choreography is a special case of multi-party > > > choreography. Bi-party choreography has some interesting > > > properties that > > > can simplify the modeling. (e.g. Bi-Party choreography > > > doesn't need to > > > worry about dynamic participation because any change of a > > binding can > > > simply terminate the choreography). > > > > > > I think we should covered multi-party choreography. In > > > additional, we may > > > also need to investigate this special subset called bi-party > > > choreography. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Ricky > > > > > > At 02:28 PM 3/24/2003 -0800, Jon Dart wrote: > > > > > > >Daniel_Austin@grainger.com wrote: > > > >>2. Multi-party vs. bilateral choreography: there is some > > skepticism > > > >>that modelling bilateral interactions is sufficient. > > > >> I certainly don't think that is it sufficient to > > model only > > > >>bilateral transactions. Many business transactions have multiple > > > >>actors, and we want to build standards that will work for common > > > >>service transaction models. > > > > > > > >Note that it is not exactly all or nothing here. BPSS for example > > > >supports > > > >"MultiParty Collaborations", but does so by composing them > > > out of "Binary > > > >Collaborations". > > > > > > > >--Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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