- From: Kenneth Andersson <kandersson@SIMTech.a-star.edu.sg>
- Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:30:37 +0800
- To: <public-ws-chor@w3.org>, <bill.flood@sybase.com>
- Cc: <a.terhofstede@qut.edu.au>, <l.aldred@qut.edu.au>, <m.dumas@qut.edu.au>, <W.M.P.v.d.Aalst@tm.tue.nl>
Bill, I agree with you. I have also read van der Aalst's work, and it's spot on the mark of the workflow industry today. The workflow patterns are especially useful. However, I do think that WS-Chor will be important, especially for non-royalty issues. We need an independent body to evaluate and possibly endorse what's out there. Two open questions to WS-Chor: *Although only WSCI and WSCL are official Notes at this point, I assume that WS-Chor is monitoring most of the initiatives out there. Which are those according to WS-Chor? *Which generic features do you use to evaluate? (I refer to things like the workflow patterns mentioned above.) Regards, Kenneth Andersson Singapore Institute of Manufacturing Technology ----- Original Message ----- From: <bill.flood@sybase.com> To: <public-ws-chor@w3.org> Cc: <W.M.P.v.d.Aalst@tm.tue.nl>; <m.dumas@qut.edu.au>; <l.aldred@qut.edu.au>; <a.terhofstede@qut.edu.au> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 7:54 AM Subject: Yet Another Choreography Specification All, I seriously considered joining this working group but have deferred that decision to better try to understand the direction that it is taking. Examining WSCI, BPEL4WS (XLANG., WSFL), BPML, XPDL, and the host of other "specifications" or notes does not seem fruitful without some ability to understand them in context of the entire problem. What is needed is a neutral justification for defending the arrived-upon stance. I'm afraid the alternative is that WS-Chor will simply be another impotent footnote rendered meaningless by the vendors that have their favorite specification and the ability to push them forward. After all, minus a logical argument, why should one vendor endorsed standard give way for just another unjustified standard? An excellent article on this subject can be found at: http://tmitwww.tm.tue.nl/research/patterns/ieeewebflow.pdf The author is on the CC list and my hat is off to him and his colleagues for this valuable work. I hope that the vendor community can learn from their efforts. This article is really about recognizing the entire range of workflow patterns that address more than the subsets presented through vendor specific approaches. A markup language has been developed (YAWL) that describes these patterns in XML. Researchers have also mapped from vendor-specific markups to the patterns. The WS-Chor, in my belief, will only be successful if it takes the high road - a defensible position that avoids pitting one vendor approach against another (or for that matter one standards organization against another). If the WS-Chor can see itself in a position of supporting a neutral approach to the choreography issue, the industry as a whole will benefit and I will be there to support it. Best Regards, --Bill Flood, Sybase Supporting documents in a similar vein can be found at: http://idevnews.com/CaseStudies.asp?ID=52 http://www.daimi.au.dk/CPnets/workshop02/cpn/slides/w_aalst.ppt http://tmitwww.tm.tue.nl/research/patterns/yawl_qut_report_FIT-TR-2002-06=
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