- From: Francisco Curbera <curbera@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:18:44 -0400
- To: David Hull <dmh@tibco.com>
- Cc: public-ws-addressing@w3.org
This is a composability issue. My understanding is that typically the
timestamp would protect the RM headers as well, so they will be different
in a retransmission.
Paco
David Hull
<dmh@tibco.com> To: Francisco Curbera/Watson/IBM@IBMUS
cc: public-ws-addressing@w3.org
06/27/2005 02:03 Subject: Re: Issue LC90
PM
If a message is retransmitted for reliability purposes, the payload (that
is, the message the reliability layer thinks it's sending) will be
retransmitted verbatim. The [message id] is part of this, so it will be
the same in both versions, just as the other WSA headers will be, and the
body for that matter. There will be no part of the message payload that
could be used to tell if the message is a replay or a retransmission. This
is why the reliability layer uses its own sequence number. The
retransmission will have a separate sequence number. The security layer
can use this information to distinguish retransmissions from replays. It
can't use anything in the payload.
The current text says that the security layer should take care to consider
information that will not change when trying to see if anything has
changed. The new text points out that the [message id] will not change
with a retransmission and looking at it won't help. Further, it uses a
SHOULD NOT, instead of a MUST NOT, so that anyone who really wants to fold
in redundant information is free to do so.
Francisco Curbera wrote:
Issue LC90 proposes changing the following paragraph in the security
section,
"Some processors may use message identifiers ([message id]) as part
of a
uniqueness metric in order to detect replays of messages. Care should
be
taken to ensure that for purposes of replay detection, the message
identifier is combined with other data, such as a timestamp, so that
a
legitimate retransmission of the message is not confused with a
replay
attack."
to the alternate text,
"For purposes of reliability and security, the [message id] property
SHOULD
regarded simply as another part of the message payload. It SHOULD
NOT be
used as part of a uniqueness metric in order to detect replays of
messages,
as a message with a given [message id] may be legitimately re-sent
for
purposes of reliable transmission."
We think that there is no justification to say that you one cannot
use
messageID as part of an uniqueness criterion for security purposes,
so the
"SHOULD NOT" in the proposed text is unjustified. The original text
is more
balanced, recognizing that message_if may be used and giving the
right
advice if one chooses to do so.
I propose we close with no change.
Paco
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