- From: Anish Karmarkar <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>
- Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 18:33:08 -0700
- To: "public-ws-addressing@w3.org " <public-ws-addressing@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <42CC8654.40907@oracle.com>
I took an action item to kick off a discussion on LC 104. Thinking about LC 104 and LC 101, I have the following questions/comments: What is the purpose of section 2.1 [1], the abstract information model for EPRs? Currently the spec defines an abstract model and then a mapping to Infoset. Infoset itself being abstract and which can be further mapped to XML 1.0 or XOP or a binary serialization (eg, IT/UT's ASN.1 based serialization) or something else. This is an XML spec, so it seems that an Infoset model should be sufficient. I haven't heard of requirements/usecases for an abstract model for EPRs (for which an infoset is not sufficient). The abstract properties are in any case specified in terms of XML schema types. It seems to me that - 1) This unnecessarily complicates and lengthens the spec with no advantage. 2) This also results in pesky problems such as those pointed by LC 104 and LC 101 -- how does one extend an EPR at the abstract level? At the infoset level it is clear as there are extensibility elements/attributes. How are the extensible attributes/elements in the Infoset (eg: attributes of wsa:EndpointReference element) reverse-mapped back to the abstract model? Something like /wsa:EndpointReference/@myext:Ext1 attribute has to be mapped to the abstract model but something like /wsa:EndpointReference/@xml:lang does not necessarily have to be mapped. How does one distinguish between the two and what does the spec have to say about this and about extensibility guidelines and framework. 3) Following the principle: Things should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler -- it seems to make sense to remove the abstract model, unless someone can demonstrate a real need for this (and Infoset is not sufficient). To see what the spec would look like without the abstract model and to figure out how much work/change is needed, I took the current spec and removed the abstract model (for both EPRs and MAPs) sections, merged the still-relevant text from the deleted sections with the infoset stuff, changed [...] to /wsa:..., + some misc changes to accommodate the deleted sections (such as removal of text from the 'notation' section). The changed version is attached. I used HtmlDiff to create diff'ed version (which is also attached). Pl. note that some text was moved from one section to another, but the diff version just shows a delete-and-add. Overall, the changes (from an editorial perspective) are minor. Such a change would also require some very minimal changes in the SOAP-binding and WSDL-binding specs (to refer to the QNames rather than [...] properties). Please note that there were some cardinality constraints ('?' and '*') missing in the infoset mapping for MAP, which I added -- this had nothing to do with the removal of the abstract model. Comments? -Anish -- PS: for those who are worried about 2nd LC, AFAIK, removing a feature does *not* trigger another LC (but adding a feature may). [1] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2004/ws/addressing/ws-addr-core.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#eprinfomodel
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