- From: Jeff Mischkinsky <jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com>
- Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:57:33 -0700
- To: Hugo Haas <hugo@w3.org>
- Cc: public-ws-addressing@w3.org
Hi,
Please note that Anish and myself were present as Observers not as
Members of the WG.
thx,
jeff
On Oct 21, 2004, at 11:02 AM, Hugo Haas wrote:
> ... are available at:
>
> http://www.w3.org/2004/10/21-ws-addr-minutes.html
>
> Please note that this is the scribe's copy.
>
> Text dump follows:
>
>
> [1]W3C
>
> Web Services Addressing WG call
> 21 oct 2004
>
> [2]Agenda
>
> See also: [3]IRC log
>
> Attendees
>
> Present
> Hugo, Mark_Nottingham, Michael.Eder, Mark.Peel,
> Jonathan_Marsh,
> Rebecca.Bergersen, Harris, Bob.Freund, J.Mischkinsky,
> Steve.Winkler, Paco, JacekK, Anish, Ales.Novy, Dave.Orchard,
> Marc.Hadley, Yin-Leng
>
> Regrets
>
> Chair
> Mark Nottingham
>
> Scribe
> hugo
>
> Contents
>
> * [4]Topics
> 1. [5]Agenda review, AOB
> 2. [6]Working Group process and administrivia
> 3. [7]Work items and schedule
> 4. [8]NYC Face-to-Face
> * [9]Summary of Action Items
> _________________________________________________________________
>
> <scribe> Scribe: hugo
>
> Agenda review, AOB
>
> Nothing technical today
>
> Working Group process and administrivia
>
> Mark: the charter is at
> [10]http://www.w3.org/2004/09/wsa-charter.html
> ... it's based on the W3C process, which is consensus-based
> ... it's also under the W3C patent policy
> ... we have 2 mailing lists: a member one for administrative
> matters, and
> the public list is for technical matters
> ... in case we communicate with groups that don't work in public,
> we may use
> the member-confidential list
> ... if you have issues accessing parts of the Web site, contact Hugo
> ... minutes should be taken on IRC
>
> <mnot> [11]http://www.w3.org/1998/12/bridge/info/name.php3
>
> Mark: it helps to take action items, keep track of the queue, etc.
>
> <mnot> [12]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36696/telcontime/
>
> Mark: for telcon times, it's going to be tough to pick a time
> ... it should be linked from the WG page
>
> <scribe> ACTION: Hugo to link polls from home page
>
> Jonathan: are you going to send the agenda to the member list or
> the public
> list?
>
> Mark: any preference?
>
> <anish> i prefer that the agenda goes to public
>
> Jeff: we use the public list in WSD
> ... except for regrets and call-in numbers
>
> Mark: ok, let's try that then
> ... please note that if you can't make it to the meeting, please
> send
> regrets to the administrative list
> ... I'd like to make a decision on telcon times next week
> ... please answer ASAP
> ... we will need to take minutes
> ... I'll make a call for volunteers, otherwise we'll do a
> round-robin among
> WG members
> ... IRC is not required, but preferred
>
> <Marsh> [13]http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc
>
> Jonathan: IRC gets very useful as soon as lots of people join
>
> Mark: we'll have F2Fs every 1.5 months to start with
> ... we should have one in December, and one in Jan
> ... I have set up a poll
> ... we should have one in Europe, one on the West Coast, then at
> the Tech
> Plen
>
> Jonathan: the WSDWG is interested in colocating
> ... there is a big overlap
> ... we have been looking at January
> ... we can work on this on the CG call
>
> Marc: I am wondering if we are going to have critical mass with
> such a
> frequency
>
> MarkN: the charter is pretty clear about this
> ... actually, this is related to good standing
>
> <dorchard> is it really miss 1 in 3?
>
> MarkN: not attending too many meetings in a row may place you in bad
> standing
>
> <plh>
>
> [14]http://www.w3.org/2004/02/Process-20040205/groups.html#good-
> standing
>
> MarkN: if we have too many people not in good standing, we will see
> how it
> impacts the req for quorum
>
> Jeff: what rules will you be using for good standing?
>
> <dorchard> yeah, it's miss more than 1 in 3 meetings.
>
> MarkN: [ quotes the process / URL above ]
> ... this has to be applied evenly in the WG
> ... this will be applied pretty strictly
>
> Jeff: I note that there will be telcons during holidays
>
> Mark: we'll have to figure things out for holidays
>
> DaveO: both reps count for resetting the standing counter
>
> Jeff: how do you get it back if you lose it?
>
> Mark: you basically participate regularly
> ... with regards to the issues process:
> ... I would like to callect issues starting next week at the F2F
> ... I would like to see for each issue a description of the issue,
> and a
> fairly fleshed out resolution proposal
> ... also, which specifications it applies to should be specified
> ... re decision making: it's a consensus-based process
> ... if we can't establish consensus, we'll use a formal vote with
> simple
> majority
> ... issues won't be reopen without new evidence
>
> Work items and schedule
>
> Mark: Basis of work: WS-Addressing
> ... deliverables:
> ... Web Services Addressing specification
> ... Web Services Addressing SOAP 1.1 and SOAP 1.2 Binding
> specification
> ... Web Services Addressing WSDL 1.1 and WSDL 2.0 Binding
> specification
> ... Test suite, with 4 interoperable implementations
> ... we have a fair amount of work ahead of us
> ... re editors: if you are interested in becoming an editor, please
> contact
> Hugo and I
> ... since we have a tight schedule, I'm going to be inclined to
> choose
> somebody with W3C editing experince, but it's not a req
> ... for use cases, we will use this as a motivation to make
> decisions
>
> Anish: is SOAP 1.1 and WSDL 1.1 being normatively referenced from a
> Rec an
> exception?
>
> Mark: no; note that there will be time next week to discussed
> issues derived
> from the charter
>
> NYC Face-to-Face
>
> Mark: I'd like us to walk out with a good understanding of the
> issues we
> face
> ... also, we need to get to know each other
>
> Jonathan: I'm interested in knowing what our implementation story is
> ... who has implementations? who has test suites to help us for CR
> stage?
>
> Mark: I'll get a revised agenda out today
> ... note that there is a reading list
> ... please register before tonight midnight:
> [15]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36696/addr200410/
>
> <harris> dinner Monday sounds good
>
> Mark: it is traditional to have a group dinner
> ... maybe on Monday
>
> Paco: I'll look for places to go to
>
> <Rebecca> bye
>
> Summary of Action Items
>
> [NEW] ACTION: Hugo to link polls from home page [recorded in
> [16]http://www.w3.org/2004/10/21-ws-addr-irc#T17-12-43]
> _________________________________________________________________
>
>
> Minutes formatted by David Booth's [17]scribe.perl 1.92 ([18]CVS
> log)
> $Date: 2004/10/21 17:58:21 $
>
> References
>
> 1. http://www.w3.org/
> 2.
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-addressing/2004Oct/
> 0022.html
> 3. http://www.w3.org/2004/10/21-ws-addr-irc
> 4. http://www.w3.org/2004/10/21-ws-addr-minutes.html#agenda
> 5. http://www.w3.org/2004/10/21-ws-addr-minutes.html#item01
> 6. http://www.w3.org/2004/10/21-ws-addr-minutes.html#item02
> 7. http://www.w3.org/2004/10/21-ws-addr-minutes.html#item03
> 8. http://www.w3.org/2004/10/21-ws-addr-minutes.html#item04
> 9. http://www.w3.org/2004/10/21-ws-addr-minutes.html#ActionSummary
> 10. http://www.w3.org/2004/09/wsa-charter.html
> 11. http://www.w3.org/1998/12/bridge/info/name.php3
> 12. http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36696/telcontime/
> 13. http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc
> 14.
> http://www.w3.org/2004/02/Process-20040205/groups.html#good-standing
> 15. http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36696/addr200410/
> 16. http://www.w3.org/2004/10/21-ws-addr-irc#T17-12-43
> 17. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribe.perl
> 18. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/scribe.perl
>
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> Hugo Haas - W3C
> mailto:hugo@w3.org - http://www.w3.org/People/Hugo/
>
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