- From: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 18:44:48 +0900
- To: public-wot-wg@w3.org
available at: https://www.w3.org/2021/01/13-wot-td-minutes.html also as text below. Thanks a lot for taking the minutes, Cristiano! Kazuyuki --- [1]W3C [1] https://www.w3.org/ WoT-WG - TD-TF 13 January 2021 [2]Agenda. [3]IRC log. [2] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#Jan_13.2C_2021 [3] https://www.w3.org/2021/01/13-wot-td-irc Attendees Present Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Koster, Michael_McCool, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Taki_Kamiya, Tomoaki_Mizushima Regrets - Chair Sebastian Scribe cris Contents 1. [4]Preliminaries 2. [5]previous minutes 3. [6]Defer issue to TD 2.0 4. [7]Pull requests 5. [8]issues Meeting minutes Preliminaries Sebastian: happy new year to everybody. … today we'll focus mainly on the topics from GitHub issues … anything else to be added to the agenda? … ok previous minutes <kaz> [9]Dec-16 minutes [9] https://www.w3.org/2020/12/16-wot-td-minutes.html Sebastian: we had some discussion on IETF ASDF meeting … in particular how SDF can be transformed to an Thing Model McCool: I expect to have a SPARQL directory for the next PlugFest, we can experiment there with SDF Sebastian: I have also a student who's working on this topic McCool: about Plugfest please if you have any other topic that you want to be covered please feel free to ping me. Sebastian: we postponed TD "produced" field for the next version. it needs more discussion Sebastian: another issue was about having multiple methods names. You have defined a default mapping to transform a single form with multiple ops <kaz> [10]Issue 712 - Multiple methodName's [10] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/712 McCool: one problem is that it is odd to have one method name and multiple ops … we probably need an assertion to avoid this situation. Daniel: I disagree it is possible to have a PUT method to both read and write McCool: how do you distinguish between the operations? … it is ambiguous … we may use SHOULD instead of MUST Sebastian: what about the assertion made in issue comment? about the transformation? McCool: I agree with that Sebastian: next topic was about 617 and we'll probably continue today McCool: yes it is relevant for discovery, in particular for multiple error responses … I think is a good feature but we have to think about retro compatibility Sebastian: minutes approved Defer issue to TD 2.0 <sebastian> [11]https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/ issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Defer+to+TD+2.0%22 [11] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:"Defer+to+TD+2.0" McCool: I think there might be a set of issue like the one about multiple responses that need to be deferred because of their impact in retro compatibility Sebastian: the list linked in not complete, please ping me to add more Sebastian: I also made a label to tag old issues or issues that could be closed McCool: the geolocation issue is still open, please remove the label Sebastian: ok I removed the label McCool: my concern about geolocation is that we need a definitive structure to do geo based searches in directories … probably we might need a separate document with best practices or guidelines for geolocation with WoT Pull requests <kaz> [12]PR1027 [12] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1027 Sebastian: the first one is from kaz. The main change is the modification of the spec status … plus he remove the image width Kaz: yes it is an obsolete feature. Sebastian: plus there are some automatically generated files Sebastian: it seems fine to me. Any other comments? Kaz: I mentioned during the architecture call as well: we should have a naming convention for IDs for sections, figures and examples McCool: I wouldn't change it now. <kaz> kaz: in any case, if there are duplicated IDs, I'll fix them before publication. Sebastian: ok merged … then there are two wip PRs <kaz> [13]PR1025 [13] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1025 <kaz> s/wip PRS/wip PRS, PR1025 and PR1024/ Sebastian: daniel found some capitalization errors about the observeall operation Sebastian: it might be an error of the render script Sebastian: then there's a PR about the Thing Model chapter Sebastian: we have some agreement for introducing a version for the model. it can be also used in a TD instance … also we have a small consensus about how to link the model in TD using the link field. … I add SDF to TM example Cristiano: is the version field optional? Sebastian: yes it is optional <kaz> [14]PR1021 [14] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1021 Sebastian: next PR is about issue 1010 Sebastian: is it from daniel and it introduces the exclusiveMaxium and exclusiveMinimun terms … does SDF have this terms? Koster: no, I don't think so, but let me check … oh we have it then. … sometime you need it. Is it not a problem to include it McCool: certainly consistency with JSONSchema is good Sebastian: ok then the PR looks good so far. … ok there's is some conflicts. It is probably related to the kaz PR merge. Daniel: since it is a generated image that is in conflict we could ignore it and merge it anyway. It will be overwritten Sebastian: ok merged <kaz> [15]PR964 [15] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/964 <kaz> [16]PR924 [16] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/924 Daniel: can we remove the Bump PRs? they are old … no big deal Kaz: I think I need to look into the settings Sebastian: I'll propose to test those and see if the render script will work correctly. Sebastian: there's another old PR from mc McCool: unfortunately this PR was broken by the update of the render script. I'll work on it … probably I'll create a new one <kaz> [17]PR945 [17] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/945 Sebastian: what about 945? McCool: it breaks compatibility so it is deferred. issues <kaz> [18]Issue 617 [18] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/617 Sebastian: the first one is multiple responses in a form … one problem there is again backward compatibility. McCool: one workaround is to add a new term (i.e., responses) Sebastian: yeah it is like title and titles Ege: I like responses, but I am afraid for typos if we have response togheter with responses. we could remove response in future versions McCool: is response mandatory Ege: yes McCool: it might still not 100% retrocompatible … old system wouldn't understand … responses Sebastian: I like the proposal. but can we say that respose be a single value or an array McCool: is not backward compatible Sebastian: we might do an exception here … I also like responses tough Daniel: I tend to agree to keep response as it is and add a new term for other responses <McCool> to clarify, I was propose adding an "additionalResponses" field for "other" responses Cristiano: what about dataschema? Sebastian: it reminds me the discussion we had with hyperschema. … we talked about other fields to describe multiple payloads types McCool: JSONschema allows multiple choices. Koster: but we cannot map to a particular response … in SDF we'll use a json pointer to indicate the data schema McCool: how do we distinguish different responses? with http we have different codes. we could use dataschema even to define different responses … the challenge is how to use headers to distinguish between responses Koster: json pointers are useful when referring other pieces of information inside a json document. McCool: it could be really simple if relative to the schema Koster: let's look at some example and try it McCool: because we have a concrete use-case in the discovery let's start from there Sebastian: so to conclude: one step is decide if to include a new terms form multiple responses. last how to point dataschemas from responses … json pointers is on the table as one possibile solution for the second point. <mjk_> We prefer "anyOf" rather than "oneOf" for reasons McCool: dealing with errors is a gap that we have in TD, we should work to fix this missing feature. <mjk> [19]https://github.com/ietf-wg-asdf/SDF/pull/8 [19] https://github.com/ietf-wg-asdf/SDF/pull/8 <mjk> discussion of use of "anyOf" Sebastian: mc can you take responsibility for this issue? McCool: yes I'll bring this up in the Discovery task force and then Farshid or I will provide a PR <kaz> [20]Issue 923 [20] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/923 Sebastian: next issue is about a security scheme for Philips light bulbs. McCool: yes we reviewed in security task fource. basically keys are embedded in URIs and we cannot describe it McCool: I proposed a new scheme, much like the one that ege is suggesting in the issue tracker … it is still a open problem but we have to introduce this new mechanism to handle URI templates … I don't have a PR yet. I'll try to create one before Monday … if anyone has more examples of URI embedded security parameter please comment in the issue … I'll also improve the API key documentation Ege: why don't use this pattern inside the API key? McCool: yes we'll do … we'll have a new "in" value (i.e., URItemplate) Sebastian: maybe ege you could join the security call and discuss about the new proposal <kaz> [21]Issue 307 [21] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/307 Sebastian: next issue 307 … it is an old issue and it's about introducing $ref pointers inside the TD … the major usecase is to minimize redundancy … also you can change one definition in one place … Legally mentioned about the recursive problems Ege: jsonschema avoid it by disallow recursive refs … also we have to pay attention about how to include definitions or other schemas Koster: we had this in SDF, but we dropped it. It is too narrow because $ref should point always to a schema … like ege mentioned it is not clear if you can put a URI there. Therefore we coined a new pointer … we have to be careful to use $ref for this limitations. In TD it is best to introduce a new term Sebastian: should we also avoid the $ref to point to other json objects? Koster: because $ref means precisely use the schema at this location. <kaz> [22]sdfRef [22] https://ietf-wg-asdf.github.io/SDF/sdf.html#sdfref McCool: I think this is a 2.0 feature. Koster: true Sebastian: agree McCool: we could pre process a TD with this new feature and convert it back Daniel: what about JSON-LD? is this new feature working with it? … victor had some points about the issue Koster: probably in json-ld you'll use a fragment identifier McCool: I don't know, it looks different in json-ld Koster: Is an URI with a fragment in RDF. Ege: one point of pre processing. we could introduce this feature in TD model instead of TDs McCool: right and in 2.0 we could introduce it in TDs McCool: is there a frame for generating a TD back from RDF? Koster: great idea to use in TM <kaz> [23]issue 1015 [23] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1015 Sebastian: about framing, McCool, could you provide a PR? McCool: I think there's an issue somewhere <McCool> (have to drop, sorry) Kaz: we might want to talk with DID group about the framing issue … JSON-LD group suggested this also. <kaz> [adjourned] Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by [24]scribe.perl version 127 (Wed Dec 30 17:39:58 2020 UTC). [24] https://w3c.github.io/scribe2/scribedoc.html
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