- From: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 20:33:54 +0900
- To: public-wot-wg@w3.org
available at: https://www.w3.org/2021/02/22-wot-discovery-minutes.html also as text below. Thanks a lot for taking the minutes, Cristiano and Christian! Kazuyuki --- [1]W3C [1] https://www.w3.org/ WoT Discovery 22 February 2021 [2]Agenda. [3]IRC log. [2] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Discovery_WebConf#22_February_2021 [3] https://www.w3.org/2021/02/22-wot-discovery-irc Attendees Present Andrea_Cimmino, Christian_Glomb, Cristiano_Aguzzi, David_Ezell, Farshid_Tavakolizadeh, Jack_Dickinson, Kaz_Ashimura, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_McCool, Philipp_Blum, Tomoaki_Mizushima Regrets - Chair McCool Scribe cris_, glomb Contents 1. [4]minutes 2. [5]logistics 3. [6]F2F topics 4. [7]PR 121 5. [8]PR 113 6. [9]Issue 16 - Handle huge set of Thing Descriptions (pagination, streaming, etc.) Meeting minutes minutes <kaz> [10]Feb-15 [10] https://www.w3.org/2021/02/15-wot-discovery-minutes.html McCool: We discussed the F2F, today we'll review it again … pr 115 is ready. … we need to discuss how to filter self-discovered TD. In other words how we can select pieces or the self-exposed TD … We also discussed about error responses. I reported back to TD taskforce and we concluded that the additionalResponses needs a mechanisms to state a dataschema … I've found a possible typo in the name, michael. Plus I am not sure if it refers to Koster or to my self Kaz: it should be him McCool: to the scribers please use the surname Kaz: Well, just checked. Last time Koster was not in the call Philipp: I recall that he joined later Kaz: not sure.. McCool: let's assume it was me McCool: I'm finding more typos in names. Kaz: fixed McCool: any other major problems? … ok, any objection for publishing these? … ok approved. McCool: any updates? logistics McCool: we have a lot of work to do for the F2F, so it might be worth to have the call even during the PlugFest … if we end close the discussion today for pagination we could skip it … however I don't think the PR is properly ready. We'll need an hour during the PlugFest. Any objection? … ok then we'll have 1h meeting during the plug fest F2F topics McCool: currently we have a 3 hours section … we should assign people to different topics … I can go with the open issues … any volunteers for other parts Farshid: I can handle directory Andrea: I can do SPARQL section, but I have to know when I am scheduled … what time? McCool: we don't have a date Andrea: after 6 pm I can't join <kaz> [11]time table for the March vF2F [11] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_March_2021#Time_table_2 McCool: what about 30 minutes for Query and Filters Andrea: ok McCool: examples would be nice to have in query and filters section … introduction can be 20 min McCool: Toumura-san could you volunteer for the introduction Toumura: there's no much to say in respect to what was already presented last time McCool: you could also do some general discovery introduction Toumura: ok McCool: about self-description Farshid please can you do this? Farshid: ok McCool: which day is better ? any preference? … Monday, March 15 is taken … I'd prefer not to do it on the last day … What about the 22? Andrea: I'd be better the 18th McCool: ok noted McCool: ah the 18th has only two hours spare slots … let's go for the 17th … any other logistic issues? … ok so by March 8 we should be ready for the presentation <kaz> [12]17 March 2021 will be the Discovery day [12] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_March_2021#Wednesday_March_17 PR 121 McCool: we have a small editorial pr <McCool> [13]PR 121 - Type correction in Section 5.4, and some editorial fixes [13] https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/121 Toumura: is related to issue 120 … the issue raised some concerns about the usage of the links in introduction mechanism <kaz> [14]Issue 120 - RD usage (endpoint vs. resource)|a [14] https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/120 McCool: (reading the issue) … we don't want to submit all our resources in a TDD … or on the network. We should first check if it safe … so the only change is a minor name refactor McCool: also I think it's dangerous to publish metadata in mDNS … attackers could infer some personal information for these metedata … any other comments on the issue? McCool: noticed a minor grammar issue <citrullin> [15]https://tools.ietf.org/html/ draft-ietf-core-resource-directory-26 [15] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-resource-directory-26 discussion about the correct link to JSONPath specification and CoRE McCool: I am ok merging this PR. Toumura: I also added an assertion McCool: we have _wot-servient Toumura: it's just an implementation example McCool: ok … there's still some minor issues. we can merge it and do a later fix McCool: any objections? … I'll fix the issue right after merging it … ok fixed any objections for merging it? McCool: ok done McCool: (closing also issue 120) <kaz> [16]PR 121 [16] https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/121 <kaz> [17]Issue 120 [17] https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/120 PR 113 McCool: I'm going to skip 114 is still a wip McCool: let's go to 113 <kaz> [18]PR 113 - Security and Privacy Considerations [18] https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/113 McCool: we discussed a lot about the security. This pr tries to capture the topics even if some of those were moved to other documents since they were more open ended … they issue with privacy arise only when there's personal information embedded or inferred in TDs/TDDs <kaz> [19]Preview - 7. Security and Privacy Considerations [19] https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/mmccool/wot-discovery/pull/113.html#security-considerations McCool explains the PR based on the preview Question: Who own things, who consumes things, who operates directory. Or: who makes things available for other? Denial of service relevant only in certain scenarios Location tracking: trap locations even if there is no specific location information since directory is responsible for only a certain area Even "more interesting" if geo-location info is present TD timing out might mean that "I'm not at home" More at section 7.2 TD update time ... Explicit location info ... Nicely written "side-band" info, not normative. See McCool's comments in issue PR not issue Query injection issues might be treated normatively Kaz: having an informative security/privacy section is OK but we need to clarify some concrete mitigations for security / privacy issues McCool: should be inherent (to some extend) E.g. in JSONpath spec Kaz: really need to ready for sec / priv wide reviews before reaching the REC McCool: mention risk and point to normative mitigation PR #113 merged Issue 16 - Handle huge set of Thing Descriptions (pagination, streaming, etc.) Pagination: [20]https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/16 [20] https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/16 Format of response? How does the container look like? ID inside TD is optional Outside ID generated by directory not necessarily identical with inside ID How are TDs returned by server? ID might be random and changing over time? Extension of discovery context instead of TD context Farshid: two proposals, w/ and wo/ HTTP headers McCool: problem that this is HTTP specific Farshid: other things are too McCool comments his thoughts in issue Also summary of proposal / issues there Main issue: response might not be a TD Array vs. object Kaz: would like to see use cases Kaz: If we want to handle pagination of the resulted data, we need to handle the "border of the pages" and how to define the minimum chunks for the pagination or streaming McCool - wants examples Contradiction w/ enriched TDs Query one TD vs query multiple TDs McCool: Might want to have responses w/ non-enriched TDs Per TD metadata? Challenge w/ signatures Local ID vs. ID inside TD Please also see "Concerns" in issue comment McCool: Should rule out what is not possible / feasible McCool: Object cannot guarantee order Embed TDs vs Linking TDs <kaz> kaz: let's clarify our scope for the current Charter period :) McCool: Let's look at other APIs Farshid: Have already done this (see link inside issue) Use of arrays seems to be quite common. <kaz> [adjourned] Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by [21]scribe.perl version 127 (Wed Dec 30 17:39:58 2020 UTC). [21] https://w3c.github.io/scribe2/scribedoc.html
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