- From: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 15:02:40 +0900
- To: public-wot-wg@w3.org
available at: https://www.w3.org/2020/05/28-wot-arch-minutes.html also as text below. Thanks a lot for taking the minutes, Zoltan! Kazuyuki --- [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - WoT Architecture 28 May 2020 [2]Agenda [2] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf#Agenda Attendees Present Call 1: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Lagally, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Ryuichi_Matsukura Call 2: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Zoltan_Kis, Michael_Koster Regrets Chair Lagally Scribe kaz, zkis Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]Call 1 1. [5]Agenda 2. [6]Prev minutes 3. [7]Virtual f2f planning 4. [8]Reorganizing the WoT Architecture page 5. [9]Issues 6. [10]Pullrequests 7. [11]Roadmap 2. [12]Call 2 1. [13]Agenda 2. [14]Prev minutes 3. [15]F2F planning 4. [16]Use Cases 5. [17]Pull Request 498 6. [18]Pull Request 500 7. [19]Pull Request 504 8. [20]Pull Request 505 9. [21]Pull Request 509 10. [22]Use case prioritization questionnaire 11. [23]How to proceed with the use case discussion * [24]Summary of Action Items * [25]Summary of Resolutions __________________________________________________________ Call 1 <kaz> scribenick: kaz Agenda Lagally: (goes through the agenda for today) ... logistics and roadmap ... use case document, prioritization, IG work, requirements Prev minutes [26]May-14 minutes [26] https://www.w3.org/2020/05/14-wot-arch-minutes.html Lagally: have I uploaded the slides? Kaz: maybe not? <mlagally_> [27]https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/blob/master/proposa ls/WoT%20Use%20Cases%20-%20Next%20steps-200514.pdf [27] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/blob/master/proposals/WoT Use Cases - Next steps-200514.pdf Lagally: available at the URL above Kaz: will add it to the minutes then Lagally: ok to approve the minutes with the addition? (no objections) Lagally: approved Virtual f2f planning Lagally: lifecycle and use cases ... the plan is finalizing the lifecycle discussion by the virtual meeting ... also prioritizing the UC [28]Virtual F2F page [28] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_1-12_June_2020,_Online Lagally: T2T workshop on June 8 ... then PlugFest and F2F (PlugFest on June 15-19; F2F on Jun 22-26) [29]Requests to speak [29] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_1-12_June_2020,_Online#Requests_to_Speak_2 scribe: update, lifecycle, discovery, PoCs, CHIP, ODM, IRTF WS [30]F2F topics [30] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_1-12_June_2020,_Online#F2F_Topics_.28Tentative.29 Matsukura: couldn't join the recent lifecycle discussions ... what's the main point? ... lifecycle of what? Lagally: device lifecycle <mlagally_> [31]https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/blob/master/proposa ls/unified%20device%20lifecycle.svg [31] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/blob/master/proposals/unified device lifecycle.svg <mlagally_> [32]https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/blob/master/proposa ls/lifecycle-model-proposal-zolkis.md [32] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/blob/master/proposals/lifecycle-model-proposal-zolkis.md Lagally: Zoltan should upload his updated diagram <scribe> ACTION: zkis to upload his updated diagram to the GH repo Kaz: in short, we've been discussing the lifecycle of WoT-based service in general ... Elena gave a diagram from WoT security viewpoint ... Lagally gave a diagram from a bit different viewpoint including device and data transfer ... Zoltan also gave a diagram from another viewpoint including the 3-layer model of device, network and application [33]Elena's diagram (lifecycle diagram-WoT new lifecycle.svg) [33] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/blob/master/proposals/WoT [34]Lagally's diagram (device lifecycle.svg) [34] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/blob/master/proposals/unified [35]Zoltan's diagram (Google account required) [35] https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E7dF65r8i1rx5ykJujMYe14RYPOvXAPf/view?ts=5ea9d15c Lagally: right ... (shows his own generated diagram) Matsukura: which part is in the scope of WoT? ... onboarding is already done by the other SDOs Kaz: the application layer in Zoltan's diagram is the main target of WoT, I think Lagally: we need to have clear terminology definition as well ... (then updated the "F2F Topics" section) [36]F2F Topics section from the online f2f meeting wiki [36] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_1-12_June_2020,_Online#F2F_Topics_.28Tentative.29 Lagally: use case prioritization - 2h ... profiles - 2h ... requirements - 1h ... lifecycle - 2h ... so 7 hours for architecture topics Reorganizing the WoT Architecture page Lagally: this wiki page is getting bigger ... not sure how to improve it, though Kaz: we can create a separate "previous" page ... might be better to have ones based on the year, though ... e.g., "2019", "2018" and "2017" Lagally: ok Issues Lagally: an issue for update from NHK [37]Issue 507 [37] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/507 Lagally: need a pullrequest Kaz: they would like to generate a pullrequest but not for the WG repo but an IG repo Lagally: ok Pullrequests [38]Pullrequest 498 [38] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/498 Lagally: adding profile use case ... (goes through the description) ... TD is an extremely descriptive format ... but need common ground on how to understand it ... would like to present this proposal during the call 2 too Kaz: as you already mentioned, the title of this proposal should be something descriptive rather thant "need for wot profile" Lagally: right ... (and add a proposed title, e.g., "Out of the box interoperability") [39]Pullrequest 500 [39] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/500 Lagally: update for retail with security and privacy considerations ... OK with merging this proposal but would talk about this during call 2 as well [40]Pullrequest 504 [40] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/504 Lagally: medical device use case from Taki ... think this is a good use case ... note that there should be many existing standards for medical purposes ... (Lagally gave comments like "adding references would b useful") ... might want to think about some kind of semantic tags ... we already have units but don't have mechanism for this kind of interaction for medical purposes ... my plan is merging this but would discuss this during the call 2 again [41]Pullrequest 505 [41] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/505 Matsukura: agriculture use case ... there are 3 kinds of requirements ... device virtualization, state for things, units ... reference to Genivi's site suggested by somebody Lagally: btw, maybe you should remove extra <br> tags from the MD file :) Matsukura: ok Roadmap Lagally: initial use case document to be generated ... the idea is making the use case discussion part of the IG ... so that non-WG participants can join it easily ... by creating a separate wot-usecases repo, etc. ... technical contributions to the actual specs still remain at the Architecture TF Kaz: think the separation is reasonable ... uc/req discussion can be done by the IG ... actual REC work to be done by the WG Lagally: official resolution is still to be done ... but we can move the "USE-CASES" resources to the new repo ... (shows the initial UC/REQ Note) [42]Pullrequest 506 [42] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/506 Kaz: so we can make a preliminary resolution from this call 1, and make the final resolution during call 2 Lagally: (generates it) <mlagally_> proposal: hand over contents of thre USE-CASE directory to the Use Case IG TF for inclusion into a Use Cases document RESOLUTION: hand over contents of the USE-CASE directory to the Use Case IG TF for inclusion into a Use Cases document Lagally: we have two additional co-Editors for this UC document, Matsukura-san and Mizushima-san Kaz: great Lagally: btw, Kaz has just created a draft UC prioritization questionnaire ... which lists all the UCs so far classified by its category ... that's it for today ... anything else? (none) Lagally: please join the Use Case TF call later today as well! [Call 1 adjourned; UC call in 4 hours; Call 2 in 8 hours] __________________________________________________________ Call 2 <scribe> scribenick: kaz <mlagally__> fyi, [43]https://www.iamexpat.de/education/primary-secondary-educati on/school-holiday-dates-germany [43] https://www.iamexpat.de/education/primary-secondary-education/school-holiday-dates-germany Agenda Lagally: (goes through the agenda) [44]Agenda [44] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf#Agenda Prev minutes [45]May-14 [45] https://www.w3.org/2020/05/14-wot-arch-minutes.html Lagally: posted the slides ... to be added to the May-14 slides <scribe> scribenick: zkis Lagally: propose to accept with the small fix [minutes accepted] F2F planning [46]June virtual f2f wiki [46] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_1-12_June_2020,_Online#F2F_Topics_.28Tentative.29 Lagally: There was a call earlier today ... editing wiki with F2F agenda proposal McCool: in the future, we should avoid putting dates in the title, since it may change Kaz: I could create another page and put a link to the old page (after this call) Lagally: goes through the proposed F2F agenda topics and figuring out the time needed ... a new section is needed for the lifecycle discussion ... shows the lifecycle proposals Zoltan: the new section should be concise enough and we need to discuss content prioritization Lagally: state names, transitions, security, etc Zoltan: sounds good Lagally: a small request: please create an SVG snapshot from the latest diagram and upload to the repo <scribe> ACTION: ZK updates the SVG snapshot McCool: let's note which Architecture calls we can have due to holidays Lagally: records the call dates in the wiki McCool: we will have similar issues with the Use Case call ... therefore we should have it also with the plugfest call ... will put placeholder agenda sections and mention what is cancelled or not ... we should also have a summer break Lagally: fine with that McCool: will update the invites and will send updates to the members list <scribe> ACTION: MM to update meeting invites Use Cases Lagally: there is the new Use Case IG taskforce forked from the Architecture TF ... there is a new call ... all IG members could contribute use cases ... not only WG members ... there is a new Use Cases document [47]Use Cases and Requirements [47] https://w3c.github.io/wot-architecture/USE-CASES/wot-use-cases/index.html Lagally: will be a Note ... right now it's only a skeleton ... Requirements will be separated from Use Cases ... and should happen in the WG because of potential IPR context ... co-editors are welcome to the Use Case doc McCool: looks good, we could merge the PR [48]Pullrequest 506 [48] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/506 Pull Request 498 <inserted> [49]Pullrequest 498 [49] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/498 Lagally: #498 ... adds the profiles use case Koster: there could be something specific about code generation ... the system should be able to do adaptation McCool: profiles in general need some pre-work Lagally: this is still good for starting the profile discussion during the F2F ... automatic code generation could be a requirement McCool: well, we should avoid _automatic_ code generation, maybe in development time ... we should avoid too fancy stuff, rather define the context better Lagally: ok, let's merge this now McCool: agreed Pull Request 500 <inserted> [50]Pullrequest 500 [50] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/500 McCool: updates retail.md with security and privacy considerations Lagally: good to merge Pull Request 504 <inserted> [51]Pullrequest 504 [51] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/504 Lagally: adds medical devices use case Lagally: it is under review still McCool: needs more review and Taki is not here, so let's defer Lagally: ok, let's keep it open for now ... will add comments Pull Request 505 <inserted> [52]Pullrequest 505 [52] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/505 Lagally: agriculture use cases McCool: would separate greenhouse use case from generic agriculture use case category Lagally: should we merge? McCool: maybe review it more, as the author is not here Lagally: ok, adding a comment Pull Request 509 <inserted> [53]Pullrequest 509 [53] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/509 Lagally: adding smart building use case McCool: discovery stuff should be moved ... ok with merging it and will make a comment Lagally: adding a comment with summary ... merging ... ok, we finished the PRs ... AOB? Use case prioritization questionnaire Lagally: working on the draft questionnaire ... I would keep it open for 2 weeks McCool: ok that's enough to process and prepare for the PF and F2F ... note that discovery is not a category, but a horizontal thing ... automotive is a vertical use case Lagally: yes these will need to be broken down McCool: ok it's good enough for collecting information ... features are horizontal, use cases are vertical ... we could have a table/matrix with these Lagally: I am more inclined to break down the categories ... let's not overcomplicate, use this questionnaire and then process the results McCool: agreed to go ahead, the suggestion was for future work Lagally: OK. ... well, that concludes. We will look into the Issues next time. How to proceed with the use case discussion Kaz: we need the final resolution of moving the use cases into the new use case repository? Lagally: yes - we made a resolution in the Arch call 1 <kaz> Proposal: hand over contents of the USE-CASE directory to the Use Case IG TF for inclusion into a Use Cases document Lagally: does everybody approve this? McCool: we need to deal with IP consequences ... since we move from WG repo to an IG repo ... this loosens the IP requirements ... so it's unlikely there will be complaints Lagally: since one cannot patent a use case, there should not be much problem McCool: but formally needs to be addressed since the WG -> IG move Lagally: so, do we approve the resolution? ... all IG members would access it McCool: would we extend the rights to guests as well? Lagally: yes [accepted] RESOLUTION: hand over contents of the USE-CASE directory to the Use Case IG TF for inclusion into a Use Cases document at the expected wot-usecases repo Lagally: will make the move later <kaz> ACTION: kaz to create a new repo of wot-usecases Lagally: AOB? [adjourned] <kaz> (next call in 2 weeks) Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: kaz to create a new repo of wot-usecases [NEW] ACTION: MM to update meeting invites [NEW] ACTION: ZK updates the SVG snapshot [NEW] ACTION: zkis to upload his updated diagram to the GH repo Summary of Resolutions 1. [54]hand over contents of the USE-CASE directory to the Use Case IG TF for inclusion into a Use Cases document 2. [55]hand over contents of the USE-CASE directory to the Use Case IG TF for inclusion into a Use Cases document at the expected wot-usecases repo [End of minutes] __________________________________________________________ Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by David Booth's [56]scribe.perl version ([57]CVS log) $Date: 2020/06/02 08:09:55 $ [56] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [57] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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