- From: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 04:34:43 +0900
- To: public-wot-wg@w3.org
availabl at: https://www.w3.org/2020/06/18-wot-arch-minutes.html also as text below. Thanks a lot for taking the minutes, Michael McCool! Kazuyuki --- [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - WoT Architecture 18 Jun 2020 [2]Agenda [2] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf Attendees Present Call 1: Michael_Lagally, Kaz_Ashimura, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Tomoaki_Mizushima Call 2: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Zoltan_Kis Regrets Chair Lagally Scribe kaz, McCool Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]Call 1 1. [5]Prev minutes 2. [6]vF2F planning 3. [7]Profile 4. [8]Roadmap 5. [9]Prioritization 6. [10]Pullrequests 7. [11]Issues 2. [12]Call 2 1. [13]Agenda 2. [14]Prev minutes 3. [15]Virtual F2f 4. [16]Recap from this morning 5. [17]PRs and Issues 6. [18]Open issues * [19]Summary of Action Items * [20]Summary of Resolutions __________________________________________________________ Call 1 <kaz> scribenick: kaz Prev minutes [21]May-28 [21] https://www.w3.org/2020/05/28-wot-arch-minutes.html Lagally: (goes through the minutes) <mlagally> [22]https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/tree/master/proposa ls/lifecycle [22] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/tree/master/proposals/lifecycle Lagally: discussion on the lifecycle ... layered lifecycle diagram by Zoltan ... original one by Elena ... Device lifecycle by Lagally ... will have further discussion next week during the vF2F, so please join it ... we got contributions to the use cases Kaz: we could mention all the contributors within the use cases note once it's published as an IG note Lagally: ok ... we made a resolution to transfer the uc resources to wot-usecases repo ... the minutes approved Cristiano: topic: wot-usecases repository now on, contributions to the use cases discussion are to be done for the wot-usecases repo. right? Lagally: yes [23]wot-usecases repo [23] https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases vF2F planning Lagally: regarding lifecycle ... expected contribution by Zoltan ... regarding use cases ... the wot-usecase repo is still a skeleton [24]wot-usecases repo [24] https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases Lagally: concrete use case descriptions are to be transferred ... HTML version of the use case template also to be provided Profile <mlagally> Lagally: a separate repo for the profile discussion: <mlagally> [25]wot-profile repo [25] https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile Lagally: also REQUIREMENTS area under the repo <mlagally> [26]REQUIREMENTS area [26] https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/blob/master/REQUIREMENTS/requirements.md [27]strawman version draft for WoT Profile [27] https://w3c.github.io/wot-profile/ Lagally: using the RFC2119 keywords carefully ... (goes through the draft) ... profile would make things (easily) implementable [28]4.1.2.1 Mandatory fields (of Things) [28] https://w3c.github.io/wot-profile/#mandatory-fields-0 Lagally: would make the "id" mandatory Kaz: regarding the uniqueness of "id", I think we should be careful how to handle it ... maybe we could say unique id withing the service during the service period Lagally: yeah ... something to be considered ... wondering about the expiration period of TDs as well Kaz: good point Lagally: will create an issue about this point Cristiano: this issue is related to the discovery purposes as well Kaz: right <cris> [29]wot-discovery issue 18 [29] https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/18 Lagally: tx ... I'll include that link to this issue for wot-architecture Roadmap Lagally: initial document for the Use Cases [30]wot-usecases draft [30] https://w3c.github.io/wot-usecases/ Prioritization [31]questionnaire [31] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/wot-uc-priority-202005/?login Kaz: 4 responses so far Lagally: we can talk about the results during the wot main call Kaz: and the f2f slot next week :) Lagally: please visit the questionnaire and respond Pullrequests [32]OAuth 2.0 use cases [32] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/517 Lagally: do you want to include this into the initial use case draft? Cristiano: would like to ask McCool for opinion as well Lagally: ok ... let's check with him during the 2nd Architecture call today [33]Smart campus use case [33] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/516 Lagally: (goes through the use case description) ... example topology put here [34]sample topology [34] https://drive.upm.es/index.php/s/ryXZAChj7VGbCCi/download [35]sample 2 [35] https://drive.upm.es/index.php/s/cVPExnRNIFXJA0j/download Lagally: (adds comments to PR 516) ... do we want to merge it now? ... or later? ... would be better to have the image as SVG ... if you have any other comments, please add them too [36]Agriculture [36] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/505 Lagally: let's talk about this next week ... we need Matsukura-san's participation as well Issues Lagally: can we transfer use case issues from wot-architecture to wot-usecases? Kaz: yes, think so ... but it requires admin permission for both the repos [37]how to transfer issues [37] https://help.github.com/en/github/managing-your-work-on-github/transferring-an-issue-to-another-repository <mlagally> proposal: deadline for use case contributions and merge requests is EOD 18.6. After that all UC related work (issues, MRs, document) will be handled in the UC repo. <mlagally> proposal: deadline for use case contributions and merge requests in the architecture repo is EOD 18.6. After that all UC related work (issues, MRs, document) will be handled in the UC repo. RESOLUTION: deadline for use case contributions and merge requests in the architecture repo is EOD 18.6. After that all UC related work (issues, MRs, document) will be handled in the UC repo. <scribe> ACTION: kaz to transfer issues and pullrequests from wot-architecture to wot-usecases after the deadline [call 1 adjourned] __________________________________________________________ Call 2 <scribe> scribenick: McCool Agenda <scribe> agenda: F2F planning, lifecycle, profile requirements, use cases, issues, roadmap McCool: reviewing the schedule would also be useful agenda at [38]https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf [38] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf Prev minutes <kaz> [39]May-28 minutes [39] https://www.w3.org/2020/05/28-wot-arch-minutes.html Lagally: review minutes ... any concerns with approving and publishing these minutes? ... no objections -> minutes approved Virtual F2f McCool: please take a look at the most recent F2F agenda <inserted> [40]vF2F agenda [40] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting_2020_2nd#WoT_F2F_Agenda McCool: lifecycle was reduced to 1h Lagally: basically have 3h on Wed and 3h on Thursday ... profiles, need to restart ... lifecycle, have a candidate spec chapter to review ... use cases, have set to review and prioritize, use case repo <kaz> [41]wot-usecases repo [41] https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases Lagally: as well as a draft document ... although current still an outline <mlagally> [42]initial draft of WoT Use Cases [42] https://w3c.github.io/wot-usecases/ McCool: should there be a requirements section? Lagally: may have IPR issues for requirements... McCool: we should figure out if there really is an IPR issue ... if is, just call this "Use Cases" Lagally: also, please make PR to fill in company info for editors, etc. McCool: Cross domain looks like it is at the wrong level ... but that seems like the place for the "horizontal" use cases Kaz: maybe use "vertical domains" and "horizontal domains" for the two categories McCool: should flesh out the list of horizontal domains, eg. digital twin Kaz: normally in W3C use cases and requirements are published at the same time ... if there are any problems with IPR for the requirements, we need to look into them McCool: I suspect use cases are more of an IPR risk than requirements ... we have to state requirements in general term, so that we do not end up requiring technologies that are covered by a patent in the spec Lagally: I suggest let's just do use cases first, since we don't have a lot of requirements content anyway McCool: +1 on just having a use case document first Kaz: also there is a complex relationship between use cases and requirements ... requirements can be driven by more than one use case, so also +1 to start with use case description first McCool: I think it would also be useful to assign unique ids to use cases ... that are stable; maybe after we decide on the high-priority UCs Recap from this morning Lagally: similar discussion for F2F planning ... lifecycle has been reorganized; thanks zkis ... also did some issue clean up, including issue #520, which relates to lifecycle <mlagally> [43]https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues?q=is%3Aissue https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:"use+case" +is%3Aopen+label%3A%22use+case%22 Lagally: moving over use case issues to new uc repo <mlagally> proposal: deadline for use case contributions and merge requests in the architecture repo is EOD 18.6. After that all UC related work (issues, MRs, document) will be handled in the UC repo. RESOLUTION: deadline for use case contributions and merge requests in the architecture repo is EOD 18.6. After that all UC related work (issues, MRs, document) will be handled in the UC repo. <kaz> [we made the same resolution during the first call too] PRs and Issues [44]https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/520 [44] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/520 Lagally: for lifecycle, want to merge PR and close related issue zkis: mention "Fix: issue #" in commit, will close automatically Lagally: for now, will close manually smart campus use case: [45]https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/516 [45] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/516 had a problem with images not being part of the PR Lagally: images now there, but references have not yet been updated ... images now there, but references have not yet been updated ... in interest of time, will merge, then manually fix; ml to fix ... (merges PR) OAuth use cases: [46]https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/517 [46] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/517 McCool: suggest we go ahead and merge this, then add (or update) and then create an issue in the security repo to review (after move to uc repo) Lagally: we do know what the link will be though; just change wot-architecture to wot-usecases Open issues <inserted> [47]Issue 459 [47] https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/459 issue 459, healthcare Lagally: also can't add jennifer to the issue McCool: as for the use case content, can copy old text from original architecture document as a starting point Lagally: does not solve issue that we can't add jennifer as a reviewer McCool: I think jennifer needs to comment at least once on the repo Kaz: also will technically be easier once we are in the new usecases repo Lagally: so let's try to resolve this after the move, then McCool: also once we put a use case into the HTML format, we need to archive the md version to avoid confusion ... when we do that, should create empty security/privacy considerations sections for each use case Lagally: also have some input from accessibility ... also have to look at ITU-T SG20 use cases; there are 20 documents, so due diligence will take time McCool: we also need to have a liaison agreement in place before importing material from another standards org Kaz: have been talking to W3M, need to figure out needs from ITU-T side, then establish liaison, THEN look at these documents McCool: but certainly someone could read these documents, make list of possible use cases... but we can't put anything in our repo until we sort out relationship ... definitely I feel we should work to align our definitions and architecture Kaz: plan is to have a chairs call to make progress Lagally: maybe a combined editors/chairs McCool: I concur that inviting ML to this call makes sense ... as for future work... I think we should put in the "horizontal" use cases <kaz> [48]use case prioritization questionnaire results so far (Member-only) [48] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/wot-uc-priority-202005/results <kaz> [call 2 adjourned] Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: kaz to transfer issues and pullrequests from wot-architecture to wot-usecases after the deadline Summary of Resolutions 1. [49]deadline for use case contributions and merge requests in the architecture repo is EOD 18.6. After that all UC related work (issues, MRs, document) will be handled in the UC repo. 2. [50]deadline for use case contributions and merge requests in the architecture repo is EOD 18.6. After that all UC related work (issues, MRs, document) will be handled in the UC repo. 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