- From: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2020 12:33:42 +0900
- To: public-wot-wg@w3.org
Sorry but apparently the minutes from the TD call on Jan 10
didn't go out, so resending.
The minutes from the TD call on 10 January 2002 are available
at:
https://www.w3.org/2020/01/10-wot-td-minutes.html
also as text below.
Thanks a lot for taking the miutes, Daniel!
Kazuyuki
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
WoT-WG - TD-TF
10 Jan 2020
[2]Agenda
[2] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#Agenda
Attendees
Present
Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Taki_Kamiya, Klaus_Hartke,
Sebastian_Kaebisch, Daniel_Peintner, Toamoaki_Mizushima,
Michael_Lagally, Victor_Charpenay, Ege_Korkan,
Zoltan_Kis
Regrets
Chair
Sebastian
Scribe
Daniel
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Thing Description
1. [5]Agenda bashing
2. [6]Public minutes
3. [7]F2F Helsinki
4. [8]Media type registration
5. [9]1 PR after transition call
6. [10]Future time slot of TD call
7. [11]TD issues for new version
2. [12]Protocol Binding
3. [13]Public minutes
* [14]Summary of Action Items
* [15]Summary of Resolutions
__________________________________________________________
<kaz> scribenick: dape
Thing Description
Agenda bashing
Sebastian: Talk about next steps for new charter
... in the past we had some issues we postponed to this new
charter
... kind of kick-off call
... prioritize topics
... another topic will be F2F meeting in Helsinki
... next open PR, minor update as decided with PLH
... reference change only
... discussions about time slot, new slot?
... overview about open issues. Started to categorize them
Sebastian+Ege: Binding templates ~ 20 minutes
Public minutes
<Zakim> kaz, you wanted to remind all that the minutes will be
published publicly on the public list
Hartke: media type registration, need to go in 45 minutes
Kaz: wanted to remind all that this and future calls minutes
will be public
... Arch TF decided to review the minutes before publishing...
at least the first weeks
Sebastian: Yes, public minutes are something new now
F2F Helsinki
<inserted> [16]McCool's message on Helsinki f2f
[16] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2020Jan/thread.html#msg2
McCool: Sent email
... have to book meeting rooms immediately
... email asks for input
... e.g., PlugFest before/after meeting et cetera
... ICWE, who is going? Conflicts?
... OpenDay maybe during the conference
... on Monday
... T2TRG topics should be covered also
... MMC Proposal:
... 1. Plugfest during week, Monday - Tuesday
... 2. Group f2F meeting Wed to Friday (3-5 June)
... 3. Weekend would be free
... 4. Minday June 8 T2TRG workshop on discovery
... 5. Info night (mini open day) during conference, Tuesday
June 9
... need to talk about attendance
Sebastian: I have the concern that the F2F lasts very long (10
days), budget issue?
McCool: people can skip parts (e.g, PlugFest and join 2nd part
only)
... logistical problems with university
Ege: Why not pushing group meeting & PlugFest to later dates, 1
week only
McCool: T2TRG conflicts?
<All> : sketching alternatives
Sebastian: prefer more packed meeting, need to confirm that we
can have PlugFest during weekend
McCool: will check
Lagally: stretching the meeting to more than a week is
difficult
... started to talk about "discovery" in Arch TF already.
Should get clear agenda and goals.
McCool: can schedule joint T2TRG call
Kaz: wondering if we really need to have 3-day group meeting? 2
days ok?
Sebastian: in prev meetings we had 2,5 days (e.g., Princeton)
... I think 2 days such as during TPAC is not enough, prefer
2,5 to 3 days
McCool: Will book 3 days so that we can decide later
... will send out email about the decided dates
Zoltan: can book rooms also at Intel, have big rooms also
(70-80 people)
McCool: Could also have entire meeting at Intel
Zoltan: Aalto is better place because of metro station
Media type registration
Hartke: got email from IANA
... expert has reviewed TD media type template
... 3 questions: we have to confirm our position
... 1. question: security considerations, want to have section
referenced
... like "see Section 12 of RFC8259"
... 2. question: "Section 7 of what?" ---> see Section 7 TD of
reference
... text will be purely copied
... 3. question: similar to question 2, add reference again
Sebastian: Can create PR to fix these issues
... will check also with W3C management
Kaz: Yes, please mention comments from IANA
Sebastian: Thanks Klaus!
1 PR after transition call
Sebastian: had meeting this week with PLH and Ralph
... checked all issues, implementation report
... we were requested to change reference to SSE
... SSE is now part of HTML. Hence we should update our
reference and that's what the PR is about
<kaz> [17]Server-Sent Events from the HTML Living Standard
[17] https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/server-sent-events.html#server-sent-events
Sebastian: added term "EventSource" which is the new name for
SSE
... same change in Arch document
Lagally: Yes, we did the same change in Arch document
Sebastian: OK, merge PR#873
Kaz: Single section talking about EventSource in HTML document?
Sebastian: Section 9.2 Server-Sent events
<kaz> HTML Living Standard
Kaz: to be strict, the document title is "HTML Living
Standard", so I'm wondering if it's OK to call it "HTML
Standard" within the reference
Sebastian: reSpec generates the title automatically
Kaz: OK, please let me quickly check with PLH and Ralph to make
sure
Future time slot of TD call
Sebastian: we used to have this time slot since beginning
... afternoon in Asia
... America during night
... for MMC it is now 3 am in the morning
... not sure what we can do now. Architecture decided to pick 2
slots. Does not work out for me
... maybe we best setup new doodle call
Kaz: Yes, let's do so
Sebastian: Okay, will setup doodle poll
TD issues for new version
Sebastian: would like to remove all labels "defer to next TD
spec version"
... started to create categories
... 4 major topics (maybe more)
... JSON schema, see
[18]https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?q=is%3A
issue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22JSON+Schema%22
... e.g. reference JSON schema contructs, support more JSON
schema terms, ...
[18] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:"JSON+Schema"
McCool: should coordinate with others aboute JSON schema
features used
Sebastian: Yes, should stay in touch with handrews
... next category "TD Templates", see
[19]https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?q=is%3A
issue+is%3Aopen+sort%3Acomments-desc+label%3A%22TD+Template%22
[19] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+sort:comments-desc+label:"TD+Template"
McCool: work item for link relation, link to master template
... may have more than 1 master
... link relation is mentioned in charter, no issue yet
Sebastian: next category "Security", see
[20]https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?q=is%3A
issue+is%3Aopen+sort%3Acomments-desc+label%3ASecurity
... e.g, OAuth flow
[20] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+sort:comments-desc+label:Security
McCool: OAuth and PoP are highest priority
Sebastian: Another category "Optimization", see
[21]https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?q=is%3A
issue+is%3Aopen+sort%3Acomments-desc+label%3AOptimization
[21] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+sort:comments-desc+label:Optimization
McCool: is JSON-LD looking at CBOR?
Sebastian: Not sure, can ask
... there were some activities a while ago
<victor> (my microphone is not working): there is a WG note to
be written on JSON-LD with binary specs. I was asked to lead
this activity
Sebastian: also topics about optimize TD, e.g, having base
field per protocol
... idea to define contentType in a global manner
Victor: on topic of binary encodings
... was asked by JSON-LD group to write a document about binary
encoding
... ways to optimize JSON-LD context
... if you are interested please send me email
... no content yet, had a first meeting with XXX
Sebastian: Note: there are likely more issues and categories of
issues in TD
<victor> see Github repo for binary JSON-LD:
[22]https://github.com/w3c/json-ld-cbor
[22] https://github.com/w3c/json-ld-cbor
Sebastian: will work on that the next days
__________________________________________________________
Protocol Binding
Ege: binding templates is in review phase
... got comments from toumura and DP
<ege> [23]https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/88
[23] https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/88
Ege: e.g. WoT client/server and Comsumer/Things
... fixed in PR#88
... Discussions needed about
[24]https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/87
... XML schema and media types
... Let's look at XML examples
[24] https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/87
Taki: For completeness we need to describe name pattern
... agree we can shorten text
... still need to describe name pattern
... otherwise mapping is incomplete
Ege: same for array
Kaz: I think keeping the current style is OK
... we can highlight which part is reused if needed
Ege: can mark redundancy in XML snippet
... or having tabbed examples like in TD
... will highlight in examples what has been re-used
... Next topic is about media type vs content types
McCool: contentTypes includes media type and adds options
Ege: MQTT also uses content types
... will check in which part we refer to media type and in
which part we refer to content type
... will incorporate changes
... in PR#88
... editors draft ready for next main call
... anyone still planning to write reviews?
Sebastian: Thanks Ege
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Public minutes
Kaz: Note: minutes will be public
... do we want to review minutes first?
Sebastian: Propose sending draft minutes out first. If there is
no objection make them public
Kaz: OK, will send the draft minutes to the member-wot-wg list
first, and if there is no objection we can send them out to the
public-wot-wg list after the WoT main call on Wednesday
Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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