- From: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 16:49:25 +0900
- To: public-wot-ig@w3.org, public-wot-wg@w3.org
available at:
https://www.w3.org/2020/08//05-wot-minutes.html
also as text below.
Thanks a lot for taking the minutes, Michael McCool!
Kazuyuki
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
WoT-IG/WG
05 Aug 2020
[2]Agenda
[2] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#5_August_2020
Attendees
Present
Kaz_Ashimura, Jennifer_Lin, Daniel_Peintner,
Sebastian_Kaebisch, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool,
Ege_Korkan, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Ryuichi_Matsukura,
David_Ezell
Regrets
Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster
Chair
Sebastian, McCool
Scribe
McCool
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Guests
2. [5]Prev minutes
3. [6]MiniApps
4. [7]Publishing
5. [8]APAN 50
6. [9]IETF108 and WISHI
7. [10]New timeslot for Arch
8. [11]Conexxus strategy meeting
9. [12]ITU-T liaison
10. [13]Updated schedule
11. [14]TPAC F2F planning
12. [15]Cancellations
13. [16]Task force report - mainly Marketing
* [17]Summary of Action Items
* [18]Summary of Resolutions
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<kaz> scribenick: McCool
Guests
no guests today
Prev minutes
review minutes:
[19]https://www.w3.org/2020/07/29-wot-minutes.html
[19] https://www.w3.org/2020/07/29-wot-minutes.html
any objections?
hearing none, minutes will be published
MiniApps
Sebastian: MiniApps, kaz and daniel joined, please give us an
update
<sebastian>
[20]https://www.w3.org/2020/07/miniapp-virtual-meeting/agenda.h
tml
[20] https://www.w3.org/2020/07/miniapp-virtual-meeting/agenda.html
Kaz: miniapps is platform for web application mashup
... proposed by the MiniApps CG participants, e.g., Huawei,
Xiaomi, Alibaba, etc.
... there was a proposal to form a WG, but my impression is
they might want to start with an IG to clarify further possible
use cases and requirements from global industry viewpoint as
well
Sebastian: any relation to WoT?
McCool: connection to WoT: overlap with PWAs needs to be sorted
out, then PWA are (potentially) connected to edge computing
which is (potentially) connected to WoT
Kaz: proposed a joint meeting (either during the WoT main call
or during TPAC) to have discussion during the MiniApps meeting
Daniel: think it would be beneficial for them to explain their
point of view and goals
... there could be some relation with respect to scripting at
least
... slides and videos were meant to be reviewed in advance,
watch for that
McCool: in general, watch out for "homework required" calls
Sebastian: mainly concentrated on mobile, right?
... anyhow, let's see if we set up a joint meeting
Kaz: ok, I will ask for a meeting
McCool: also good to add this to F2F wiki page, with topics
"scripting" and "edge computing"
Publishing
[21]Publishing@W3C Webinar
[21] https://www.w3.org/2020/07/publ-webinar/
Kaz: there are WG, BG and CG on Publishing@W3C
... paper and online publishing companies used to be interested
in epub format for ebooks
... but getting also interested in media in general and further
collaboration, so I proposed joint meetings, one with MEIG and
another with WoT
McCool: for media control?
Kaz: yes; mostly looking at ebooks, but now also looking at
tv-based browsers, etc.
Sebastian: ok, let's add that to the joint meeting list; topic
"Media control"
Kaz: also synchronization
APAN 50
[22]APAN 50
[22] https://apan50.hk/
Kaz: Kiura-san, the Agriculture CG Chair, invited me to a
conference related to smart cities and smart agriculture in
Asian areas
... there were two sessions, "Rural hybridization" and "Open &
Sharing Data"
* [23]Rural hybridization session
https://apan2020.apan.net/?p=444
* [24]Open & Sharing Data
[24] https://apan2020.apan.net/?p=440
McCool: this overlaps somewhat with the smart cities activities
within W3C
... logistics of delivery, for instance
Kaz: Kiura-san and some more presenters there want to have
joint discussion with us, so I'd like to invite them to one of
the WoT main calls
IETF108 and WISHI
McCool: did not go to IETF108, should ask Koster for an update
later
... as for WISHI, main topic was microsoft's DTDL
... which overlaps with TDTs
... an open question is whether there is a direct mapping
between the two
<sebastian>
[25]https://codimd.ietf.org/t2trg-wishi-2020-07-30-notes#
[25] https://codimd.ietf.org/t2trg-wishi-2020-07-30-notes
Sebastian: another topic was CoAP and RDF for protocol binding
... we talked about supporting this through IANA, since they
already have machine-readable formats eg XML
... and it might be possible to do a mechanical and automatic
mapping, and maybe have them host it
... and might be possible to implement this mapping with XSLT
... if we did this, it would save us a lot of time
Lagally: on dtdl, is a certain overlap, harmonization with tdt
... want to see how we can do alignment, for instance around
profiles
... in general we should actively engage with them, and we
should work hard to avoid fragmentation
Sebastian: my understanding is that they also wish to avoid
fragmentation, and are aware of WoT, and are open to
collaboration
... next step is to invite them to main call, and possibly also
TD call; they are already W3C and WoT members, easy for them to
join
Lagally: maybe a use case call... understand why they did their
own data format
Sebastian: probably next step is main call
... then discuss next steps
Kaz: who to invite?
Sebastian: Brian Crawford from Microsoft
New timeslot for Arch
Sebastian: updated on wiki page, call table
McCool: also updated outlook invites
* [26]Arch wiki
https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf
* [27]Webconf table
[27] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_Page#WebConf_Meetings
Conexxus strategy meeting
[28]Conexxus Strategy Meeting 2020
[28] https://www.conexxus.org/events/asc-2020
David: will be recording a call today
... Kristen Call and Michael McCool will be talking about
standards and WoT there
... and talking about node-RED, etc.
... have had resonance
McCool: will have to look at video we have to see if it can be
used
ITU-T liaison
Sebastian: in progress... use case discussion in progress,
meeting tomorrow
Lagally: if people have time to reviews
<mlagally> All SG 20 documents:
[29]https://www.itu.int/ITU-T/recommendations/index_sg.aspx?sg=
20
Here are the individual references for the documents mentioned
on the call:
https://www.itu.int/ITU-T/recommendations/index_sg.aspx?sg=20
*
[30]https://www.itu.int/ITU-T/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=1169
9
https://www.itu.int/ITU-T/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=11699
*
[31]https://www.itu.int/ITU-T/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=1264
7
https://www.itu.int/ITU-T/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=12647
*
[32]https://www.itu.int/ITU-T/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=1302
7
https://www.itu.int/ITU-T/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=13027
*
[33]https://www.itu.int/ITU-T/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=1363
7
[33] https://www.itu.int/ITU-T/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=13637
Updated schedule
Sebastian: updated now with FPWD dates
... and also final publication targets
... or rather, deadlines
McCool: I think each TF should fill in some intermediate
targets, and we also could use some FPWD goals for TD2.0 and
Arch2.0
TPAC F2F planning
<inserted> [34]WoT TPAC wiki
[34] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_October_2020
Sebastian: review of dates for F2F; resolution last meeting
... need to confirm dates for plugfest
proposal: to hold online plugfest during the week of Sept
28-Oct 2, with one meeting daily (same format as last time)
RESOLUTION: to hold online plugfest during the week of Sept
28-Oct 2, with one meeting daily (same format as last time)
McCool: need to start organizing topics for F2F
Kaz: please also document time for 9-10am ET for plugfest call
... also this is before daylight savings time change
Sebastian: also are collecting joint meetings and topics for
each
McCool: wonder if MEIG and Publishing should be together, and
media control can be discussed with MEIG
... regarding plugfest, VPN will be set up but will not be
mandatory
Cancellations
Sebastian: see addition of marketing and PoC cancellations
... on main call wiki page
<kaz> [35]meeting cancellations
[35] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations
Task force report - mainly Marketing
<sebastian> [36]doodle ongoing
[36] https://doodle.com/poll/kbrnwpxcukmhgexc
Sebastian: selective, due to timing
... for marketing, note the doodle for the new time
... also, review the new web page
<sebastian> [37]https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/
[37] https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/
<kaz> Note that the above new "WoT Welcome page" has links to
the following related pages which are also to be reviewed:
* [38]https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/wg/
https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/wg/
* [39]https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/ig/
https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/ig/
* [40]https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/cg/
https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/cg/
* [41]https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/developers/
[41] https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/developers/
Sebastian: please provide feedback
... right now we are discussing what the URL will be
Lagally: want to understand how navigation to existing
material, i.e. wikis
... does it replace existing pages?
Sebastian: will replace two things; the
[42]https://www.w3.org/WoT/ landing page
... currently undergoing redesign...
... and then [43]https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG will be replaced
(this one is under our direct control)
[42] https://www.w3.org/WoT/
[43] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG
<kaz> We can set up redirections for:
[44]https://www.w3.org/WoT/WG/ =>
[45]https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/wg/
and:
[46]https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/ =>
[47]https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/ig/
However, at the moment we can't set up the redirection for:
[48]https://www.w3.org/WoT/welcome =>
[49]https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/
and need to wait until the site redesign project is done.
[44] https://www.w3.org/WoT/WG/
[45] https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/wg/
[46] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/
[47] https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/ig/
[48] https://www.w3.org/WoT/welcome
[49] https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/
Lagally: one simple use case; someone want to join a WoT call,
how do they find that information, without necessarily knowing
about the IG/WG structure, etc.
Sebastian: new page has a "Calls and Meetings" in an attempt to
find this information easy to find
... should probably also put it in the main menu
Daniel: this is definitely one of our goals
... this is just a starting point
Lagally: suggest links to task forces at the top level
McCool: I think what we want to do is emphasize the task
forces; the ig/wg breakdown is basically just a technicality
Daniel: ok, I will make a proposal and we can discuss next time
Kaz: we should clarify what kind of information is needed for
what kind of people, and create an issue
... personal suggestion is that it will be easier to maintain
if static information is on the web page and dynamic
information is in wiki page
... not really reuse, but how to split static/dynamic content
... for next step, need to think again about content is needed
and with what emphasis and priority
Sebastian: no-one is against this; what ml points out is that
we should mention task forces in main pages
Kaz: suggest that Lagally create an issue on the marketing repo
and we discuss there; perhaps also mm
Ege: good that we think of people who are NOT already in the
W3C IG/WG
... and make sure we provide guidance to people so they know
where to start
<kaz> [adjourned]
Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions
1. [50]to hold online plugfest during the week of Sept 28-Oct
2, with one meeting daily (same format as last time)
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