[TD-TF] minutes - 6 March 2020

available at:
  https://www.w3.org/2020/03/06-wot-td-minutes.html

also as text below.

Thanks,

Kazuyuki

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   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                               - DRAFT -

                             WoT-WG - TD-TF

06 Mar 2020

   [2]Agenda

      [2] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#Agenda

Attendees

   Present
          Kaz_Ashimura, Taki_Kamiya, Michael_McCool,
          Sebastian_Kaebisch, Daniel_Peintner, Tomoaki_Mizushima,
          Zoltan_Kis

   Regrets
          Michael_Koster

   Chair
          Sebastian

   Scribe
          kaz

Contents

     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]Agenda
         2. [5]Draft press release
         3. [6]Online F2F agenda
         4. [7]Issues
     * [8]Summary of Action Items
     * [9]Summary of Resolutions
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   <scribe> scribenick: kaz

Agenda

   Sebastian: (goes through the agenda)
   ... prev minutes, online f2f
   ... PRs, Issues
   ... anything else?
   ... Ege and Koster are not available, so no binding topics

   McCool: quickly check the draft press release?

   Sebastian: ok
   ... let's start with that

Draft press release

   McCool: we're getting testimonials
   ... myself forwarded Intel's one

   Sebastian: cool

   <sebastian> [10]https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pulls

     [10] https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pulls

   Sebastian: (go through the PRs)

   [11]PR 33

     [11] https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/33

   Sebastian: can merge it
   ... and merged

   McCool: just modified caption and TD logo

   [12]PR 34

     [12] https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/34

   Sebastian: my PR
   ... still working on it
   ... not really happy with the current draft
   ... a bit confusing to just mention cloud use cases

   McCool: agree
   ... edge computing, etc., should be also mentioned

   Sebastian: would remove the cloud part once

   McCool: well, we can talk about both here

   Sebastian: yeah
   ... but we should have some generic text before that

   McCool: that's fine
   ... interconnectivity issue, etc.
   ... also ecosystems

   [13]changes

     [13] https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/34/files

   McCool: would suggest to say "IoT ecosystem" here
   ... will do the final grammar check later
   ... so let's concentrate on the text content

   Sebastian: ok
   ... and then
   ... would fix:

   
   The WoT Thing Description provides a standard way for the
   metadata of a Thing to be provided, including network API,
   semantics, and data models.
   ]]

   Sebastian: would say:

   
   The WoT Thing Description provides a common, machine-readable
   data format for describing Thing's metadata and its
   capabilities including used data model, protocol and security
   setup.
   ]]

   McCool: guess we're doing metadata
   ... btw, it would be better to break the lines rather than a
   long line
   ... so that we can see the text easily on GitHub

   Sebastian: ok
   ... next:

   
   The specifications are based upon rich metadata that describes
   the data and interaction models exposed to applications, and
   the communications and security requirements for platforms to
   communicate effectively.
   During the course of the Web of Things standardization
   activities, several other informative documents were also
   created.
   ]]

   Sebastian: the above is a bit redundant

   McCool: in general agree with you
   ... you can merge the PR after checking with Lagally

   Sebastian: ok

   McCool: can also ping him

   Daniel: McCool mentioned the figure
   ... good to do that

   McCool: already done that
   ... in the legend

   [14]updated draft

     [14] https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/pressrelease-wot-rec.html

   Sebastian: Toumura-san's PR for Hitachi's testimonial

   [15]PR 35

     [15] https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/35

   Sebastian: merged

   [16]PR 36

     [16] https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/36

   Sebastian: and Fujitsu
   ... (some conflict there and cant merget PR36)
   ... (fixes the conflict)

   Mizushima: btw, I also have submitted our testimonial

   Sebastian: can you generate a PR?

   McCool: can include IRI's one in my PR for Intel

   Sebastian: PR 36 merged

   [17]updated draft press release

     [17] https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/pressrelease-wot-rec.html

   Sebastian: some error with indentation
   ... (fix the typo)
   ... (also fix the order of the testimonials)

   McCool: would suggest you (Sebastian) adds the testimonials to
   avoid conflicts

   Kaz: how to deal with our expectation for the 2nd-gen WoT?

   McCool: some text at "What's Next?" section
   ... if you have some suggestion, please make a PR

   Sebastian: regarding the "Objectives" section and the
   "Deliverables" section, maybe we should remove them?

   McCool: they're put there based on our talking points and very
   important
   ... maybe merge it with the top section
   ... should ask Lagally's opinion as well
   ... anyway, let's not remove the content itself but have some
   more discussion

   Kaz: agree

   McCool: should think about better location for the content,
   though

   Sebastian: ok, we can improve the text

   (McCool leaves)

Online F2F agenda

   <sebastian>
   [18]https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_16-19_March_202
   0,_Online

     [18] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_16-19_March_2020,_Online

   Sebastian: (goes through the agenda)
   ... TD template, eventing, ...

   [19]Issue 817

     [19] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/817

   Sebastian: Efficient formats for TD
   ... and the other issues for v2
   ... are those ok?
   ... anything else to discuss?

   Kaz: any collaborative discussion with the other TF?
   ... like discovery, scripting, ...

   Sebastian: would encourage all to join all the discussios :)
   ... any concrete idea about joint discussion?

   Kaz: maybe discovery and scripting?

   McCool: OAuth2?
   ... what kind of relation type to be handled
   ... what relation type we should look into
   ... maybe pre-existing IANA entry
   ... component of another thing relevant as well

   Sebastian: will you talk about that during the Security
   session?

   McCool: this point is not depending on security
   ... should be discussed during the TD session
   ... for next TD, not for maintenance
   ... will you handle maintenance topics as well?

   Taki: that's something we discussed in a TD telecon a couple of
   weeks ago

   McCool: technically related type can be handled today
   ... it's backward compatibility issue
   ... features must be fixed should have priority

   Sebastian: tx for your input
   ... anything else?

   Daniel: timing of DST?
   ... why Monday starts at noon but Tuesday starts at 1pm?

   <Zakim> dape, you wanted to daylight savings

   McCool: good time slot is limited
   ... moving the slot later would be not good

   <zkis> Europe can adapt for Scripting meeting time. :)

   McCool: so earlier time is assigned for Architecture on Tuesday

   Daniel: ok

   Sebastian: any other comments?

   McCool: the purpose is presenting the current status
   ... and get feedback/input from all

   Sebastian: yeah, so more f2f meeting-ish

Issues

   Taki: talked about implementation issues

   [20]Issue 882

     [20] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/882

   Taki: created a PR for this
   ... the editors are McCool and Ege

   [21]PR 884

     [21] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/884

   McCool: need to change the template and process it to get
   report?

   Taki: right. will do so

   Sebastian: regarding Ege, his main affiliation for this spec
   should be "Siemens"
   ... can mention "TUM", though
   ... can we merge this PR now?

   (no objections)

   Taki: merged

   [22]Issue 560

     [22] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/560

   Sebastian: mediatype already got registered with IANA
   ... so can close this

   <scribe> ... closed

   [23]Issue 883

     [23] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/883

   Daniel: some fix by Ege
   ... but not run the rendering script yet
   ... ideally would be better to use automatic script running
   mechanism
   ... wondering if why we didn't do that

   Sebastian: usually check the draft locally on my PC first
   ... do you have time to see the feasibility?

   Daniel: can look into that
   ... but not pressing issue

   [24]Issue 878

     [24] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/878

   Sebastian: Ege's issue on initial connection
   ... he proposes to have some kind of container
   ... getting comments from Ben as well
   ... they use "links" for container
   ... and [["rel" : " alternate"]]
   ... to apply "webthing" as "subprotocol~
   ... added a comment to suggest we consider extending the
   'base', which also allows to be a JSON object containing
   vocabulary terms
   ... comments?

   Kaz: if we go for Ben's suggested "links" approach, would it
   make our compatibility better?

   Sebastian: maybe a bit better
   ... but links vs base is one of our long-term discussion points
   ... would use the same term within TD for our own compatibility

   [25]Issue 302

     [25] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/302

   Sebastian: got response from Ben for this as well
   ... (goes through the discussions)
   ... my proposal is that we should provide some hint in TD
   ... so that the client can identify the name-urlValue pair
   ... example code here

   [26]example code

     [26] https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/302#issuecomment-589525901

   Sebastian: that is just an idea, though

   Kaz: started to wonder if we want to invite Ben to the virtual
   f2f in 2 weeks

   Sebastian: good point

   Zoltan: could we have him as Invited Expert or guest with
   non-substantial contribution?

   Kaz: this time we can invite him as an invited guest

   Sebastian: but good to have him

   Kaz: can ask Ben about his interest/availability

   Sebastian: ok
   ... that's it for today. aob?

   (none)

   [adjourned]

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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