- From: Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 15:49:20 +0100
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See: http://www.w3.org/2016/06/22-wot-minutes.html <http://www.w3.org/2016/06/22-wot-minutes.html> Web of Things IG 22 Jun 2016 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/22-wot-irc Attendees Present Daniel_Peintner, Toru_Kawaguchi, Kaz, Sebastian_Kaebisch Regrets Chair Matthias Scribe Dave Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]status updates 2. [5]WG Charter Roadmap 3. [6]Plugfest preparation 4. [7]Any other business * [8]Summary of Action Items * [9]Summary of Resolutions __________________________________________________________ <kaz_> [ present now: Kaz, Dave, Michael, Daniel, Darko, Joerg, Kazuaki, Matthias, Pankesh, Takuki, Toru, Yingying ] <scribe> scribenick: dsr status updates Daniel: I noticed that there are still some open issues in the old charter space, so we should clean these up. Matthias: what space? <dape> see [10]https://github.com/w3c/charter-drafts/ [10] https://github.com/w3c/charter-drafts/ Sebastian: …. Matthias: we need to close our issues and remove the old draft Kaz: we can add a status note to the old draft to point people to the new charter ... we can simply close the issues, right? Matthias: Sebastian, you could close them as a lot of them are yours, right? I will ask Kaz to help with this Kaz: I wanted to mention the status of the IG charter review <kaz_> [11]ac review results (member-only) [11] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/wot-ig-2016/results Kaz: So far we have 5 reviews and we need to get a lot more, and I want some help with reaching out Matthias: so this is something for everyone in the IG to follow through on. <scribe> ACTION: Joerg to email the IG list to ask people to contact their AC Reps to respond to the IG charter AC Review [recorded in [12]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/22-wot-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-59 - Email the ig list to ask people to contact their ac reps to respond to the ig charter ac review [on Joerg Heuer - due 2016-06-29]. WG Charter Roadmap Joerg: in Montreal I had some discussion with Jeff Jaffe (W3C CEO) on a roadmap for preparation of a WoT WG (Joerg projects a slide with the roadmap) He talks us through the roadmap We had discussions in May on the draft charter. In June the idea is to agree on integration of comments by other stakeholders. The roadmap also covers a milestone for the current practices document in the run up to Beijing We’re also working on a public call for implementations. Daniel, can you give a status update on that? Daniel: we sent that out and are collecting material on the wiki. <dape> [13]https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Implementations [13] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Implementations There are 2 more I will add later today The deadline for final IG comments on the WG charter is 22nd June. The idea is to encourage a peer to peer discussion with external contacts on the WG charter This is expected to continue for 4 to 5 weeks <kaz> [ present+ Carsten, Frank, Katsuyoshi, Masato ] In July, we want to record the outcome of the plugfest in Beijing, and to integrate comments into the WG charter. In August, we want to finalize the WG charter and get it ready for AC Review in September The aim is to have the WG launched six weeks or so after the AC Review starts Joerg: any comments? Dave: we’re missing milestones for the work on use case requirements and tech landscape we need to document and encourage discussion on technologies which isn’t happening in the current practices doc Matthias: we wanted to have public releases for these documents to show companies I understand that we’re ready to do this for the architecture document and to then work on a more detailed architecture in the WG Dave: We’ve been operating since the start of 2015, and it is kind of weird that we’ve not yet published any reports We need to identify editors and then to trigger a call for comments on publishing a snap shot of the document as IG notes. This could last a week, and result in a formal resolution in the next IG call <mkovatsc> [14]http://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/wot-ig-2016.html [14] http://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/wot-ig-2016.html Matthias: we have editors so that’s ok Matthias summarises the editors involved, some of whom aren’t on the call today <inserted> kaz: I agree what you're saying is important, but we're now discussing "WG Charter Roadmap". So we should talk about IG document timeline later separately, shoulnd't we? Joerg: we need a clear understanding of what needs to be done Kaz: can we defer the discussion of the publication of IG reports in a later agendum? Joerg: we need to add the documents we plan to publish to the roadmap Kaz: can we split the roadmap into one for the WG and another for the IG? Dave summarises the short term for the IG rechartering process and the need for discussion on what’s missing Daniel: how are we going to publish the roadmap? We need to provide roadmaps for the IG and the WG Matthias: agreed that it should be publicly accessible, perhaps the wiki? Daniel: my preference is for github for issue tracking Matthias: the issues will be about the work, and not the roadmap so much <kaz> +1 to put the roadmap on the wiki and manage issues using github Matthias: so let’s publish the roadmap on the wiki Kaz: given that the roadmap has us closing the WG charter today, we should discuss this now. I chatted with Dave and others and we agree that we need to add content for the relationships to W3C and external groups ASAP. Also we should review the draft charter specifically from the viewpoint of how to handle "semantic" and "abstraction". Joerg: the idea for the current milestone is to be ready for outreach to external stakeholders. I will update the roadmap to clarify this goal <joerg> Rephrase to [Milestone-Jun-4] Deadline for final comments on WG Charter for the purpose of P2P review comments (22nd of June) Kaz: In that case, you actually mean we'll discuss the draft charter during the Beijing F2F as well. We should add a milestone in early September on IG release of the WG charter for AC Review <joerg> Add –[Milestone-Aug/Sep-2] Release Charter for AC review Kaz: we should clarify the timing for bringing the WG Charter to W3M approval for the AC Review Matthias: we expect to make changes following discussion in Beijing, and taking into account feedback from external stakeholders. Dave: after that we need a IG Resolution on seeking W3M Approval for initiating the AC Review Kaz: if we want to review the WG charter in Lisbon, we don’t want to seek W3M approval before then In other words we should have the resolution in Lisbon on Sep 19 Toru asks for clarification of the process Kaz: the IG resolves to seek W3M approval for starting an AC Review. W3M then needs review from some W3M Members, resulting in some changes, and then W3M will approve the start of the review, which is then normally 4 week in duration. Toru: is there a way to accelerate this? Maybe we should start outreach to stakeholders in July Kaz: some of us have already started outreach with key stakeholders, but AC review will take 4 weeks in any way. If we want to accelerate the timescale we can bring forward the IG resolution to end of August with the aim of starting the AC Review in mid September Joerg: the stakeholder feedback is very important and this may alter the timeline according to what we’re told <mkovatsc> Proposal: bilateral outreach now, detailed review and issue collection in Beijing, start resolving issues and group resolution 2 weeks after Beijing, start W3C mgmt review directly so it is done at TPAC, start AC Review at TPAC for more promotion Matthias: we should start outreach now and collect the issues in Beijing and resolve then soon after Dave recaps how we handled this for the IG charter Matthias: we can use TPAC to reach out to the AC Dave: Joerg could perhaps briefly talk about this during the AC meeting at TPAC Joerg: so I should ask for an AC agendum on the WoT IG AC Review Kaz: we should also use the plenary day for outreach Dave: indeed Nimura-san: we will discuss the comments in Beijing, right? Matthias: yes <knimura> just use f2f for comments resolution Matthias: 2 issues open, one on capitalisation that I will deal with and another on being more neutral in respect to protocols Daniel: we can remove the names of protocols in the WG charter <kaz> [15]GitHub Issues [15] https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues Sebastian: for security I can ask Oliver for rewording Matthias: Oliver’s text was hard for non-experts to understand Sebastian: we need to be neutral and try to find descriptions that reflect that Matthias: the security section is the one that is most effected ... you need to give some concrete examples, e.g. in the introduction Sebastian: in the introduction that’s fine, but we should be very careful in the scope section Kaz: it should be okay to include examples so long as we made clear that these are just examples and not a prescriptive list Matthias: I will check the wording on this Plugfest preparation Matthias: we had the document freeze but there were a few things missing We still need an explanation on security. <mkovatsc> [16]http://w3c.github.io/wot/current-practices/wot-practices-be ijing-2016.html [16] http://w3c.github.io/wot/current-practices/wot-practices-beijing-2016.html Daniel: we will include the links we had from the Sophia Antiplois F2F Matthias: I created a copy of the document, see above link. Please review this and provide feedback on what’s missing I also want to talk about discovery. We want to use a repository. There is a possibility for experimenting with ideas from the IETF and OCF Who has used the repository? Daniel: we have in the EU ThingWeb project Matthias: would you be able to adapt the process quickly, so that it aligns with the CORE WG resource discovery approach Daniel: yes this should be ok Darko describes some details … Matthias: perhaps some others using the client we provided? Perhaps we can look at who was involved in the previous face to face meetings and check with them? Matthias: I will update the current practices document to include text on how the repository is supposed to work <kaz> [ present+ Johannes ] Yingying tells us that we can’t use a router, but will be able to use a static block of IP addresses <yingying> yes. That's what I got from hotel IT person. Matthias: we need to assign static IP addresses, and there is not need for a wifi password of HTTP based credentials in the wiki, I can assign you an address when you register. Michael will only be able to participate remotely Michael: I will be in Berlin, but can’t make it to Beijing Matthias: one of us can carry a router as a backup <mkovatsc> [17]https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_July_2016,_Chin a,_Beijing#Participation [17] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_July_2016,_China,_Beijing#Participation Matthias: we will list all of the IP settings on the wiki Please enter what ever you’re bringing to Beijing in the wiki (see link above) <dape> [18]https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_July_2016,_Chin a,_Beijing#Requirements [18] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_July_2016,_China,_Beijing#Requirements Daniel: we should encourage people to provide more details on their requirements, e.g. whether you need to add an external service so that we can test it. Matthias: this especially applies to Panasonic Toru: for security reasons we don’t want to include the IP address on the wiki Matthias: fine, just contact Daniel so we can update the test tool Toru: we use skype for business, and would like to use that in Beijing Daniel: that is hard for us to test Kaz: and we can try webex as well Kaz asks Yinying if she has tried skype and webex from the hotel network? Yingying: we can try that tomorrow Any other business Sebastian: just a reminder to Dave and Louay on web sockets and Bluetooth Smart where we’re expecting pull requests Dave to chase Louay on that Matthias: ok that’s it for today, bye! <scribe> scribe: Dave Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Joerg to email the IG list to ask people to contact their AC Reps to respond to the IG charter AC Review [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/22-wot-minutes.html#action01] Summary of Resolutions [End of minutes] __________________________________________________________ — Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org <mailto:dsr@w3.org>>
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