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[wot] minutes - 17 August 2016

From: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 22:48:50 +0900
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                                 WoT IG

17 Aug 2016



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          Kaz, Daniel, Michael, Bowen, Dave, Frank, Taki, Uday,
          Xueqin, Yingying, Joerg, Sebastian, Kazuaki, Ryuichi




     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]quick updates
         2. [6]WG preparation
         3. [7]TPAC
         4. [8]IG Deliverables
         5. [9]AOB
     * [10]Summary of Action Items
     * [11]Summary of Resolutions

quick updates

   dp: goes through the agenda
   ... would Yingying to talk about the joint call with oneM2M

   yc: will have a joint call on 31 August at the usual IG call

   dp: how to share the information?

   yc: copied the information to the IG member list

   dp: ok

   <yingying_> [12]joint meeting with oneM2M


   dp: we should collect comments/questions for the joint call

   jh: not just questions but joint understanding would be good
   ... one volunteer for oneM2M liaison, Yongjing from Huawei?

   yc: yes, he is from Huawei

   jh: we had controversial discussion on vocabulary for specific
   industry domain
   ... we should explain our approach, e.g., Thing Description, to
   ... and we should be ready to understand their approach

   dp: agenda of the joint call: TD, vocabulary in domains, check
   Beijing minutes
   ... will collect questions to ask them

WG preparation

   dr: need W3M approval to bring the Charter to the AC review
   ... will talk with Wendy and Alan
   ... identifying candidate Chair(s) is one of the issues to

   dp: Chairs need to be identified before TPAC?

   dr: before the AC review

   ka: we got a comment from Wendy and need to respond to her
   about that

   dr: will talk about that as well during the call with her


   dp: demo setup
   ... Kaz converted to PDF

   att-0019/demo-setup.pdf demo setup


   dp: if possible, would include the air conditioner and the
   curtain from Fujitsu
   ... showing the demo step by step
   ... each building block
   ... any comments?

   kaz: looks good
   ... already talking with the meeting planner about this setup
   ... the main contact is on vacation but will be back on Monday,

   dp: ok
   ... next idea is having roll-up poster
   ... created a template for that purpose

   ka: we need frames for the roll-up posters?
   ... do we want the meeting planner team to provide the frames?

   dp: yes, if possible

   ka: will ask them about this as well

   <scribe> ACTION: kaz to ask the meeting planner team about the
   roll-up poster frames [recorded in

     [14] http://www.w3.org/2016/08/17-wot-minutes.html#action01]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-74 - Ask the meeting planner team
   about the roll-up poster frames [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due

   jh: how many roll-up posters?

   dp: 4
   ... maybe 5-6

   ka: are all of them roll-up ones?

   dp: same style would be better

   ka: ok

   dp: we'll have 4 tables and people on those tables
   ... Sebastian volunteers to lead the TD part
   ... still need 3 more leaders
   ... Scripting API, Protocol Bindings and Full Scenario
   ... Frank, are you interested?

   fr: definitely interested
   ... want to work with Matthias
   ... for Protocol Bindings
   ... still need somebody for ECHONET

   ka: somebody from Panasonic or Fujitsu?

   dp: yes
   ... how about air conditioner and curtain by Fujitsu?

   kn: possible
   ... (couldn't hear)

   dp: only ECHONET support?

   kn: as far as I know, Panasonic and Fujitsu support only

   dp: add contributors for Full Scenario

   rm: the facility for the demo will be available for TPAC too

   dp: add Nimura-san and Matsukura-san to the wiki
   ... still not sure about Panasonic

   _Portugal,_Lisbon_Demo Demo wiki


   dp: Sebasitian, could you show what you've done?

   sk: put the roll-up image on the wiki

   TD roll-up design

     [16] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/File:TPAC-2016-roll-up.jpg

   sk: pictures there
   ... Thing Description is used to understand what "Things"
   provide, how to interact with each other, etc.
   ... you can propose alternative design, etc.

   dp: any comments so far?

   sk: good to show this kind of poster to explain what "Thing
   Description" is like

   dp: ok
   ... please send your comments

   jh: do we have a chance to put information on the demo?
   ... maybe we could have 3 sections
   ... issues, building blocks and demo description
   ... may put another figure in the demo section as well
   ... what do you think?

   dp: split the poster area into 3 parts?

   jh: yes, 3 sections
   ... semantic silos, Thing Description as the building block to
   solve the issue, and demo description

   sk: should put one demo for the poster?

   jh: maybe some abstract information
   ... a kind of guideline

   dp: will add the information to the template
   ... my question is contact information for W3C

   dr: will check within the Team

   sk: would be nicer if we could get the original files

   dr: we can contact the Comm Team about them
   ... including the red "Fragmentation & Siles" picture

   dp: used Photoshop to create the template
   ... can provide the photoshop file

   ka: yeah, providing the vector graphic would be better

   dp: ok

   <scribe> ACTION: dpeintne to provide the SVG version of the
   roll-up poster template [recorded in

     [17] http://www.w3.org/2016/08/17-wot-minutes.html#action02]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-75 - Provide the svg version of the
   roll-up poster template [on Daniel Peintner - due 2016-08-24].

   dp: what about the WoT presentation during the AC meeting?

   ka: talking with the Meeting Planner Team proposing Tuesday

   dp: ok
   ... next PlugFest
   ... not actual PlugFest other than the demos

   ka: the joint scenario part is PlugFest, isn't it?

   dp: right
   ... my question is whether we want to have another PlugFest on

   ka: we can concentrate on feed back from PlugFest on Thu/Fri

   jh: discussion on evaluation and next step as well

   dp: we might want to put remote PlugFest topic on the agenda
   ... (adds online PlugFest to the agenda)
   ... next joint meetings with other groups

   _Portugal,_Lisbon#Outreach_and_Ad-hoc_meetings list of joint


   <sebastian> I have to go. cu

   dp: progress?

   ka: have talked with MMI and they're interested
   ... will talked with other groups (Accessibility, AUtomotive,
   DAS, TV Control)

   dp: Spatial Data group?
   ... Sebastian has left...
   ... what about Web Bluetooth?
   ... who would contact them?
   ... anybody in that group?

   jh: we should think about topics for the joint meetings too
   ... Automotive:

   ka: Automotive WG working on WebSocket-based network I/F
   ... should be integrated with the WoT framework
   ... also security as mentioned
   ... vehicle signal definition (Vehicle Signal Specification)
   might be of interest too

   dp: DAS:
   ... recall several discussions
   ... on mailing list and during TPAC
   ... Tobie was the main contact
   ... any other topics?

   ka: generic sensor API and other APIs

   dp: EXI:
   ... recall discussions on JSON representations
   ... MMI:
   ... had a call with them

   ka: we could reuse MMI as advanced UI for WoT framework

   ud: regarding DAS, should we include device description?

   dp: if you mean semantic description, maybe it would be
   included in spatial data

   ud: maybe from the viewpoint of device too
   ... another question is time slot for the joint meetings

   dp: our group will meet on Thu/Fri
   ... and we can visit their meetings on Mon/Tue

   -> [19]https://www.w3.org/2016/09/TPAC/schedule.html TPAC

     [19] https://www.w3.org/2016/09/TPAC/schedule.html

   ka: we need to talk with the group Chairs about the concrete
   time slots

   dp: let's see
   ... next Spatial Data:
   ... will check with Sebastian
   ... TV Control:
   ... similar to MMI?

   ka: they're working on API definition for TV tuners/recorders
   ... how to integrate the TV Control API-based tuners with WoT
   is the key

   dp: next Web Bluetooth:
   ... put "protocol bindings" as a keyword

   ka: yes, one of the possible legacy protocols

   dp: GSMA liaison?

   dr: Natasha is the liaison contact
   ... they're working on IoT security guideline
   ... maybe 20-min slot or less

   dp: add "GSMA IoT security guidelines" to the TPAC agenda wiki
   ... any other comments?

   dr: Google is getting more interested
   ... maybe we might want to reserve a slot

   ka: Dave, who from Google are you talking?
   ... we had discussion with Scott Jenson
   ... he is talking within Google

   dr: talking with Danbri

   ka: maybe talking with multiple contacts from Google might be

   dp: Dave will keep us updated

   ka: regarding schema.org, we'll we talk with Max Senges?

   dr: yes, and Dan

   mc: Max and Dan are representing the same effort

IG Deliverables

   dp: people are still on vacation
   ... how to proceed?

   ka: we've already got group consensus for publication

   dp: what about the tech landscape

   ka: Soumya will come back shortly
   ... let's check with him
   ... regarding the tech landscape document

   dp: ok

   ka: regarding other three documents, I can work with the
   editors for publication

   dp: can we publish those documents before TPAC?

   ka: yes

   dp: Content/Technological discussion
   ... Hydra vs TD?

   0010.html Bergi's comment


   mc: a comment
   ... Hydra and TD are both sort of description
   ... Hydra is rather build-in hyper media control
   ... interested in further investigation
   ... can come back with some more information

   dp: looks like there is some similarity

   mc: can respond on the list as well


   dp: would like to clean up the remaining actions
   ... next week
   ... there are lots of actions remaining

   jh: suggestions/comments for the agenda of the next call?
   ... input contributions to the f2f
   ... please send your comments on the list

   [ adjourned ]

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: dpeintne to provide the SVG version of the
   roll-up poster template [recorded in
   [NEW] ACTION: kaz to ask the meeting planner team about the
   roll-up poster frames [recorded in

     [21] http://www.w3.org/2016/08/17-wot-minutes.html#action02
     [22] http://www.w3.org/2016/08/17-wot-minutes.html#action01

Summary of Resolutions

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