- From: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
- Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 19:02:15 +0000 (UTC)
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011, Jukka K. Korpela wrote: > > Looking at the nice summary (with examples) of text-level markup at > http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/text-level-semantics.html#usage-summary > I started wondering why there is no example of markup for symbols of > physical quantities. The descriptions of individual elements or their > examples don't seem to say anything about this either. The main reason is that most of these symbols have Unicode characters and don't need special markup. > So what markup should we use for E = mc?, given that by the applicable > standards, E, M, and c should appear in italics and the other characters as > normal (upright)? It sounds like you want to use these characters: U+1D438 MATHEMATICAL ITALIC CAPITAL E U+1D45A MATHEMATICAL ITALIC SMALL M U+1D450 MATHEMATICAL ITALIC SMALL C Alternatively, you can use MathML to mark up the equation. > Physical quantities surely satisfy the requirement that "typical > typographic presentation is italicized" in the following, and they are > to be offset from the normal prose, but why aren't they mentioned in the > fairly long list of examples then: > > "The i element represents a span of text in an alternate voice or mood, > or otherwise offset from the normal prose, such as a taxonomic > designation, a technical term, an idiomatic phrase from another > language, a thought, a ship name in Western texts, or some other prose > whose typical typographic presentation is italicized." > http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/text-level-semantics.html#the-i-element > > (As an aside, the wording "a taxonomic designation" is too broad, as by > biological nomenclature rules, genus and species names are to be > italiced but higher taxons, e.g. family names, like Canidae, must not. > Besides, e.g. an English name of a species is taxonomic too... So > "scientific names of organisms" would be a better formulation.) Whether you want something in italics or not is more a matter for CSS than a matter for HTML. > Should we consider the var element as covering physical quantities too? > After all, they can be regarded as variables in a broad sense, as > symbols that denote different values in different situations. However, > <var>c</var> would be odd, wouldn't it, since the symbol denotes a > universal constant of nature. You can look at it as being a variable whose value is a constant of nature. I've clarified the spec to indicate that this is fine. On Thu, 14 Apr 2011, Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: > > Well, a constant isn't really variable any more, is it? I thought <var> > was meant to mark up text that couldn't simply be 'copypasted' without > filling in the unknowns (free variables). Defined variables (whether in > source code or formulae) do not conform to that definition. > > So, <code>rm -r <var>$path</var></code> would conform (as a reply to the > question "how does one remove a (potentially non-empty) directory on > *nix?") as $path is undefined, but <code><var>i</var>++</code> would > not, as i isn't ment to be substituted. What do you base this interpretation on? On Sat, 16 Apr 2011, Jukka K. Korpela wrote: > > Besides, there is no implied uniform rendering for variables in the > current broad meaning for <var>. In mathematics, variables are > conventionally written in italics. But the HTML(5) notion of variable is > wider: "The var element represents a variable. This could be an actual > variable in a mathematical expression or programming context, or it > could just be a term used as a placeholder in prose." A programming > language variable is something that is _not_ conventionally rendered in > italics. Rather, they are usually (though for no really good reason) > rendered in a monospace font, like any other expressions in computer > languages. Indeed. And vectors are usually bold. This is the kind of thing I would expect to see handled using classes, e.g.: <var class=vector>a</var> ⨯ <var class=vector>b</var> = <var>a</var> <var>b</var> sin <var>θ</var> <var class=vector>n</var> > Too bad there's no example of <var> used in programming context. The > current wording suggests that it would be normal, when discussing > programming, to write, say, "Then we define the variable > <var>myFoo</var> of type <code>fooType</code> with initial value > <code>"Foo"</code> - -", which really makes no sense, even if we use > both <var> and <code> for myFoo. Why does it make no sense? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E )\._.,--....,'``. fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A /, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
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