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From: Peter Brawley <pb@artfulsoftware.com>
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:43:27 -0500
Message-ID: <4ACFA06F.8090208@artfulsoftware.com>
Brian,

 >There are no switches that put the browser in HTML5 mode or anything 
like that;
 >the only switch is based on whether you have one of a few given 
doctypes, which
 >only affects whether you're put in quirks mode or in standards mode.

Why relegate a perfectly sound use case to a cul-de-sac? It would be 
better to add to frames standards such that they're simpler to use.

PB

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Brian Campbell wrote:
> On Oct 9, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Peter Brawley wrote:
>
>> I'm arguing that framesets have been part of HTML4, developers used 
>> them in good faith, and removing them from HTML5 unfairly & 
>> arbitrarily imposes a Hobson's choice of keeping existing 
>> functionality while foregoing new HTML5 functionality, or 
>> re-architecting existing functionality in order to use new HTML5 
>> functionality.
>
> No, there is not choice you have to make. Framesets will still work in 
> HTML5, they just won't allow you to validate. The page you cited, 
> <http://www.artfulsoftware.com/infotree/mysqlquerytree.php> already 
> doesn't validate against HTML 4.01 (you are missing a doctype, and 
> missing a title element), so I'm not sure why validation should 
> suddenly matter. There are no features in HTML5 that are being 
> withheld from pages which don't conform to the spec. There are no 
> switches that put the browser in HTML5 mode or anything like that; the 
> only switch is based on whether you have one of a few given doctypes, 
> which only affects whether you're put in quirks mode or in standards 
> mode.
>
> -- Brian
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