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[whatwg] Dealing with UI redress vulnerabilities inherent to the current web

From: Anne van Kesteren <annevk@opera.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:36:28 +0200
Message-ID: <op.uh4062ss64w2qv@annevk-t60.oslo.opera.com>
On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:41:06 +0200, Michal Zalewski <lcamtuf at dione.cc>  
wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Sep 2008, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
>> Default permission of cross-domain loads is responsible for *a lot* of  
>> problems. Allowing sites to escape that would address a lot of  
>> problems, even if it is opt-in. Eventually we could hope to reach a  
>> state where all browsers support it, and most sites request it --- a  
>> much saner Web IMHO.
>
> Yup, by all means, it solves a lot of other problems - and devising a  
> *comprehensive* solution (not a new specialty HTTP header to deal with  
> IFRAMEs and OBJECT/EMBED/APPLETs specifically), even if opt-in, has the  
> benefit of actually reducing complexity for web app developers (in terms  
> of custom XSRF / script inclusion checks, etc, that they could ditch).
>
> The issue is, a considerable implementation effort is involved in most  
> of these comprehensive designs (given how current same-origin checks,  
> and code taking cross-domain actions with no same-origin checks, is  
> typically scattered), lots of open questions (e.g., there are some  
> important performance trade-offs depending on the granularity of  
> resources, the types of requests we want to run checks on; site-wide  
> policies and per-URL policies; etc).

Could you list these comprehensive designs perhaps?


> On top of that, there seem to be several incompatible proposals from  
> various groups, with vendors seemingly not willing to back off.  
> Microsoft is pursuing their proposal for cross-domain policies in MSIE8,  
> Mozilla devs had another (and every other security researcher has  
> probably their "own and better" design in the drawer, about to bring it  
> out the moment they are asked for advice).

Are you talking about cross-site requests here? FWIW, for that particular  
problem I believe all vendors agree on the same server protocol, but not  
on the request mechanism. That is, non-Microsoft will do that by evolving  
XMLHttpRequest (see XMLHttpRequest Level 2) and Microsoft does it through  
XDomainRequest.

However, that's an opt _in_ API as such requests are by default not  
allowed.


-- 
Anne van Kesteren
<http://annevankesteren.nl/>
<http://www.opera.com/>
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