- From: Matthew Thomas <mpt@myrealbox.com>
- Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:23:23 +1300
On 9 Dec, 2004, at 4:43 AM, Matthew Raymond wrote: > > Matthew Thomas wrote: >> >> On 8 Dec, 2004, at 3:19 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: >>> >>> (One of the main reasons I haven't yet specified the tree control in >>> the Web Apps draft is that I can't work out how to make it support >>> the basic things a tree control needs to support while still having >>> some sort of backwards-compatibility story, btw.) >> >> <select id="wiblet" initialsort="flavor"> >> <shead> >> <sh data="Name"> > ... > I notice you have a lot of elements there that imitate the elements > for tables. Why not just use <table> as a basis for this instead of > select? > > | <table> > | <colgroup> > | <col usetree id="col_name"/> > ... Because, while more elegant, that doesn't have "some sort of backwards-compatibility story". I click on it, it does nothing. > ... > Currently, WA1 only defines <menu> as being a HTML5 menu when it's > inside a <menubar>, so all a UA has to do is look for the proper > parent element. Otherwise, the current specification treats <menu> the > exact same way as HTML 4.01. Because of this, there is no need for a > doctype with respect to menus. Fair enough. >> Even if goodwill was irrelevant, if you made HTML semantically >> complete enough to drop <div>, I guarantee you would have added too >> many block elements for authors to choose the correct one anything >> like most of the time. <div>, <b>, <i>, <sup>, <sub>, and <span> >> might be presentational tofu, but they keep HTML from being too >> complex, and that's important. > ... > The elements <sup> and <sub> are not entire presentational. For > example, how do you represent a chemical formula in HTML? If a title > has a power at the end, how do you indicate that? Granted, they have a > presentational component to them, but that presentation itself has a > semantic meaning. Exactly the same applies to <b> and <i> as to <sup> and <sub>. They're usually used to mean *something*, but a computer can't tell what it is. <http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2004/05/02/b-and-i> <http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2004/05/09/semantic> -- Matthew Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/
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