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From: Futomi Hatano <futomi.hatano@newphoria.co.jp>
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:13:22 +0900
To: Kai Hendry <hendry@webconverger.com>
Cc: public-websignage@w3.org
Message-Id: <20121211201322.6F85.17D6BAFB@newphoria.co.jp>
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 16:39:34 +0800
Kai Hendry <hendry@webconverger.com> wrote:

> On 7 December 2012 12:15, Futomi Hatano <futomi.hatano@newphoria.co.jp> wrote:
> > At least, SMIL is realistic. there are some enthusiastic supporters,
> > and it has already implemented some web browsers, and we can
> > use it (maybe animation only) in HTML through inline SVG now.
> I didn't realise one could animate SVGs with SMIL in a Web browser
> today until now.
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/SVG/SVG_animation_with_SMIL
> :)
> Still after experimenting with SVG myself, I do find it an unstable
> technology especially when it comes to the tooling than say
> HTML+JS+CSS. And I'm wondering what is the merit of flashy animations
> for simpler use cases based on the fundamentals of discerning
> information. If information is buried in an SVG it can be tricky to
> get out. e.g. difficult to select text or when text is all too often
> converted to paths.

You are right.
I compared the performance between CSS animation and SVG animation before.
At least in case of ticker, SVG animation was completely useless.
But it's not a matter of the technology nor the spec.
It's a matter of the implementations of browsers.
In the future, the implementations of SVG animation might be improved.

> Therefore I do prefer CSS Animations, for animations. However SVG
> still is very important in my mind, for map / navigational uses cases,
> which a lot of signs in reality are and is mentioned in a tiny sub
> point upon http://www.w3.org/community/websignage/wiki/Web-based_Signage_Use_cases_and_Requirements#.5BNeighborhood_map.5D
> under a very complex R3 "Communication with a personal device within
> proximity" requirement.

I think so, too.

> When I read through
> http://www.w3.org/community/websignage/wiki/Web-based_Signage_Use_cases_and_Requirements
> again, IIUC you want to _really_ push the Web, since most requirements
> are complex and can't readily be done. That's fine, though I was
> probably wrongly hoping to start with the basics here.

Thanks for your understanding.
At least I strongly push the Web (i.e. HTML/CSS/JavaScript).
But it's true that there are SMIL/SCXML supporters in signage industry.
We should hear all demands equally at this time.

> Therefore I'm curious if there is a good forum for anyone like me who
> is doing Web signage implemented by leading browsers today? Folks who
> are working through current issues like the Fullscreen API, responsive
> designs & Appcache, and are happy to share?

Absolutely. Yes.
This business group is looking for people who are familiar with
signage industry and web technologies like you.
We hope that you will be joining this group.

BTW, do you have any actual web-based signage contents,
by any chance?
If so and we can view the contents in web browsers from anywhere,
could you tell us the URL?
It should be helpful for us.


> Kind regards from Singapore,

Newphoria Corporation
Chief Technology Officer
Futomi Hatano
Received on Tuesday, 11 December 2012 11:13:10 UTC

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