- From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux <dom@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 10:16:20 +0100
- To: "public-webrtc@w3.org" <public-webrtc@w3.org>
The minutes of our meeting on Tuesday Dec 14 are available at:
https://www.w3.org/2021/12/14-webrtc-minute.html
and copied as text below. Thanks Ben for scribing!
Dom
WebRTC December 2021 Virtual Interim
[2]Agenda.
[2] https://www.w3.org/2011/04/webrtc/wiki/December_14_2021
Attendees
Present
Ben Wagner, Bernard Aboba (BA), Brian Baldino, Carine,
Dominique Hazael-Massieux (DHM), Elad Alon (EA), Florent
Castelli, Guido Urdaneta, Harald Alvestrand (HA),
Jan-Ivar Bruaroey (JIB), Patrick Rockhill, Randell Jesup
(RJ), Tim Panton (Tim), Tony Herre, Tove Petersson,
youenn fablet (YF)
Regrets
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Chair
Bernard, Harald, Jan-Ivar
Scribe
Ben Wagner, scribe
Contents
1. [3]Call for Adoption of Region Capture
2. [4]Call for Adoption of Media Capture Transform
3. [5]WebRTC Encoded Transform - key frame request API
4. [6]Issue #2698 / PR #2704 - add PAC timer; "new"→"failed"
5. [7]Issue 47: RTP Header Extension Encryption
6. [8]Issue 69: ptime is mentioned but not actually settable
7. [9]WebRTC-NV Use Cases CfC
1. [10]Low-latency P2P Broadcast
2. [11]Decentralized Internet
3. [12]Reduced Complexity Signaling
4. [13]requirements N30, N31, N32, N33
5. [14]requirements N34, N35, N36, N37, N38, N39
Meeting minutes
Slideset: [15]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/
2021Dec/att-0003/WEBRTCWG-2021-12-14.pdf
[15]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2021Dec/att-0003/WEBRTCWG-2021-12-14.pdf
Recording: [16]https://youtu.be/PjpACM_6IgM
[16] https://youtu.be/PjpACM_6IgM
Call for Adoption of Region Capture
[17]Video
[17] https://youtu.be/PjpACM_6IgM?t=266
[18][ Slide 11 ]
[18]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2021Dec/att-0003/WEBRTCWG-2021-12-14.pdf#page=11
JIB presents
[19][ Slide 12 ]
[19]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2021Dec/att-0003/WEBRTCWG-2021-12-14.pdf#page=12
YF presents
EA discusses counterpoints to the objections
Tim, JIB, EA, BA, HA discuss security implications
YF and EA discuss the scope of the work
Call for Adoption of Media Capture Transform
[20]Video
[20] https://youtu.be/PjpACM_6IgM?t=1230
[21][ Slide 14 ]
[21]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2021Dec/att-0003/WEBRTCWG-2021-12-14.pdf#page=14
YF presents; BA adds a detail
HA and YF discuss counterpoints to the concerns
BA discusses consistency of APIs
Because no objections to the CfA, the CfA is approved.
[22][ Slide 15 ]
[22]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2021Dec/att-0003/WEBRTCWG-2021-12-14.pdf#page=15
JIB provides response to the concerns in slide 14, BA and JIB
discuss error handling
WebRTC Encoded Transform - key frame request API
[23]Video
[23] https://youtu.be/PjpACM_6IgM?t=1750
[24][ Slide 18 ]
[24]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2021Dec/att-0003/WEBRTCWG-2021-12-14.pdf#page=18
[25][ Slide 19 ]
[25]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2021Dec/att-0003/WEBRTCWG-2021-12-14.pdf#page=19
[26][ Slide 20 ]
[26]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2021Dec/att-0003/WEBRTCWG-2021-12-14.pdf#page=20
[27][ Slide 21 ]
[27]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2021Dec/att-0003/WEBRTCWG-2021-12-14.pdf#page=21
slide 18-21: YF presents; BA asks for a clarification
HA explains why there is a timestamp
[28][ Slide 22 ]
[28]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2021Dec/att-0003/WEBRTCWG-2021-12-14.pdf#page=22
slide 22: YF presents; HA, YF, BA, Tim discuss
BA suggests that we make some revisions then send for a CfC on
the PR preview of the change. YF, HA, BA, JIB, and DHM discuss
the process. Decision: make a PR and run a CfC on the PR
preview.
Issue #2698 / PR #2704 - add PAC timer; "new"→"failed"
[29]Video
[29] https://youtu.be/PjpACM_6IgM?t=2595
[30][ Slide 26 ]
[30]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2021Dec/att-0003/WEBRTCWG-2021-12-14.pdf#page=26
[31][ Slide 27 ]
[31]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2021Dec/att-0003/WEBRTCWG-2021-12-14.pdf#page=27
slide 26-27: JIB presents
PR 2704 has consensus.
Issue 47: RTP Header Extension Encryption
[32]Video
[32] https://youtu.be/PjpACM_6IgM?t=2855
[33][ Slide 28 ]
[33]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2021Dec/att-0003/WEBRTCWG-2021-12-14.pdf#page=28
[34][ Slide 29 ]
[34]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2021Dec/att-0003/WEBRTCWG-2021-12-14.pdf#page=29
slide 28-29: BA presents; BA, HA, and Tim discuss
Next step: HA will send a note to AVTCORE WG about the problem.
EA asks for clarification on the result of the CfA on Region
Capture. BA suggests additional clarification on the document.
Once revisions are made, the WG chairs will make a decision.
Issue 69: ptime is mentioned but not actually settable
[35]Video
[35] https://youtu.be/PjpACM_6IgM?t=3360
[36][ Slide 30 ]
[36]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2021Dec/att-0003/WEBRTCWG-2021-12-14.pdf#page=30
[37][ Slide 31 ]
[37]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2021Dec/att-0003/WEBRTCWG-2021-12-14.pdf#page=31
slide 30-31: BA presents; Tim expresses strong support
Decision to merge PR to extensions, with a note that it has not
been implemented.
WebRTC-NV Use Cases CfC
[38]Video
[38] https://youtu.be/PjpACM_6IgM?t=3561
[39][ Slide 34 ]
[39]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2021Dec/att-0003/WEBRTCWG-2021-12-14.pdf#page=34
[40][ Slide 35 ]
[40]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2021Dec/att-0003/WEBRTCWG-2021-12-14.pdf#page=35
slide 34-35: BA presents
Low-latency P2P Broadcast
[41]Video
[41] https://youtu.be/PjpACM_6IgM?t=3600
Tim states that the wording is confusing and discusses the
comments in support and objections. HA clarifies; suggests
rewording the use case and adopting. BA discusses additional
suggestions and responses to objections. JIB feels we should
object to the use case until it's clarified.
Next steps – PR to revise the use case. Tim will send a PR and
chairs will comment.
RJ and BA discuss meaning of P2P and its implications with
low-latency. Tim, BA, RJ, and HA discuss additional points.
Decentralized Internet
[42]Video
[42] https://youtu.be/PjpACM_6IgM?t=4331
[43][ Slide 36 ]
[43]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2021Dec/att-0003/WEBRTCWG-2021-12-14.pdf#page=36
slide 36: Tim and BA discuss. RJ is concerned about the amount
of work and security/privacy/resource usage implications. BA
asks Tim if the people interested in decentralized internet
would be able to attend the WG meeting. RJ points out
additional concerns about user consent. Tim and RJ discuss. BA
suggests next steps – invite additional people for discussion
at a future meeting. JIB discusses using fetch to satisfy the
use case. HA suggests that we settle on the use case before
discussing the implementation.
Reduced Complexity Signaling
[44]Video
[44] https://youtu.be/PjpACM_6IgM?t=4900
slide 36: HA discusses point on the slide. Tim explains
motivation for the use case. HA and Tim discuss negotiation and
signaling. BA, Tim discuss. HA suggests that the use case
should be adopted with a note about security. Next step –
redesign as a higher-level requirement without specific
implementations.
requirements N30, N31, N32, N33
[45]Video
[45] https://youtu.be/PjpACM_6IgM?t=4900
[46][ Slide 37 ]
[46]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2021Dec/att-0003/WEBRTCWG-2021-12-14.pdf#page=37
slide 37: BA presents; comments with HA, RJ; Tim explains
motivation for some requirements. BA, RJ, Tim, JIB discuss.
Next step on N30-N32 - revise, particularly wrt "interruption"
and follow up on YF's PR. Tim and RJ discuss N33.
requirements N34, N35, N36, N37, N38, N39
[47]Video
[47] https://youtu.be/PjpACM_6IgM?t=6184
[48][ Slide 38 ]
[48]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2021Dec/att-0003/WEBRTCWG-2021-12-14.pdf#page=38
[49][ Slide 39 ]
[49]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2021Dec/att-0003/WEBRTCWG-2021-12-14.pdf#page=39
slide 38-39: BA presents; Tim clarifies the motivation for the
use-cases. HA, RJ, and BA discuss.
discussion of next steps. HA, Tim, BA, JIB discuss. Suggestion
is to edit and revise.
Received on Thursday, 16 December 2021 09:16:25 UTC